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Garland Bayley

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The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« on: September 12, 2008, 06:27:06 PM »
I picked two pictures that shows the primary hazard on the golf course shown in the landscape.

Compare them.

Red Sky Ranch


Tetherow


I find the bunders at Red Sky Ranch unattractive and think they don't match the landscape. IMO the opposite is true of the features at Tetherow. The are attractive and they fit into the landscape very well.

Just the beginnings of the genius I see in the eyebrows and mohawks.

One thing that can be deduced about hazards is that pot bunkers are of course depressions and the land around them may run down to them, whereas Kidd's features are arched upwards and the land around them may run up to them. Therefore, a ball running near a pot bunker is more likely to run into the bunker, whereas a ball running near an eyebrow or a mohawk is more likely to run  away and past the feature. Furthermore, a ball landing in a pot bunker will not escape, whereas a ball landing on these new features may escape especially if landing on the backside.

As we know a pot bunker, or any bunker for that matter, requires maintenance. The side can cave in, the sand can be depleted or contaminated, there may be drainage issues, the player or caddy has to take time to restore the bunker for the next player's use. These new features from David Kidd would seem to me to be maintenace (and thereby cost) free.

So what are the downsides? As with any new feature that players are not accustomed to, they will probably feel like a gimmick for a significant number of players until, and if, they gain widespread acceptance and familiarity.

In a game where visibility is highly valued, they diminish the visibility of the playing field.

Even with these considerations, I think the "eyebrows" and "mohawks" are a definite plus.

BTW: How do you like my eyebrows? And, don't worry, I will never get a mohawk!
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Pete_Pittock

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2008, 06:57:44 PM »
Anna,
If you put lipstick around a bunker it would still be a bunker. If you put lipstick around the eyebrow/mohawk it would be a hangover.




George_Bahto

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2008, 07:13:14 PM »
well, if anyone is going to use a fictitious name, it may not get any better than Anna:

If a player insists on playing his maximum power on his tee-shot, it is not the architect's intention to allow him an overly wide target to hit to but rather should be allowed this privilege of maximum power except under conditions of exceptional skill.
   Wethered & Simpson

Garland Bayley

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2008, 07:19:50 PM »
Hi George,

I have enjoyed reading your interviews and posts. I've seen your picture too, and you're cute!

But, you are ignoring the issue at hand of someone trying to breath some new life into the old game!
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

John Kavanaugh

Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2008, 07:24:29 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2008, 07:27:06 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

Who is Garland? Cute name. Should I try to meet him or her?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

John Kavanaugh

Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2008, 07:28:42 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

Who is Garland? Cute name. Should I try to meet him or her?


Sure if you like a man who does something poorly then brags about how quick he was.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2008, 07:30:55 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

Who is Garland? Cute name. Should I try to meet him or her?


Sure if you like a man who does something poorly then brags about how quick he was.

I see, a fast playing high handicapper. Maybe, I could help him out and partner him in a two-ball match.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Michael Dugger

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2008, 07:32:25 PM »
Your comparision is a crappy one anyways, Garland, the 5th hole at Tetherow, which is the one you've displayed here, has next to no eyebrows in the LZ.

That long diagonal ridge of hay is right in front of tee box.
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Mark Bourgeois

Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2008, 07:34:20 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

It takes a little longer now that we can't check the forum stats.  Did you do a site-specific google for anna rawson, too, or do you have a Rainman-like ability to remember number like # posts?

Garland Bayley

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2008, 07:35:44 PM »
As my first post indicated, I am interested in the look and how they blend not jar. This thread is not about placement for strategy.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

John Kavanaugh

Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2008, 07:38:49 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

It takes a little longer now that we can't check the forum stats.  Did you do a site-specific google for anna rawson, too, or do you have a Rainman-like ability to remember number like # posts?

I narrowed it down by memory and then found a post that was once edited showing Garland's name.  I think denying access to peoples profiles is Rans greatest mistake since he started this forum.  I find reading back through a persons posts can reveal a great deal about the character of a man and if they are worth traveling to see.  Which explains the lack of visitors to see me.

My first thought was Mdugger...sorry guy.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2008, 07:39:28 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

It takes a little longer now that we can't check the forum stats.  Did you do a site-specific google for anna rawson, too, or do you have a Rainman-like ability to remember number like # posts?

What's a Rainman?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Michael Dugger

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2008, 07:45:05 PM »
Anna is nice, and so is....

Kim Hall



Blair O'Neal



Courtney Erdman



more Blair O'Neal (god bless America)



May Wood




and of course Paula

What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Mark Bourgeois

Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2008, 07:48:05 PM »
John, I think we're being unfair in taking an on-topic thread off-topic.  Or is this a case of thread-jacking? I get mixed up that way sometimes.

John Kavanaugh

Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2008, 08:01:59 PM »
I view this site at work, while driving and at home with my wife and children in the same room.  It is no place for soft porn.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2008, 08:02:44 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

It takes a little longer now that we can't check the forum stats.  Did you do a site-specific google for anna rawson, too, or do you have a Rainman-like ability to remember number like # posts?

I narrowed it down by memory and then found a post that was once edited showing Garland's name.  I think denying access to peoples profiles is Rans greatest mistake since he started this forum.  I find reading back through a persons posts can reveal a great deal about the character of a man and if they are worth traveling to see.  Which explains the lack of visitors to see me.

My first thought was Mdugger...sorry guy.

John, (if that's your real name)

Are you on this site to discuss golf architecture, or simply to disrupt the discussion?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Kalen Braley

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2008, 08:11:46 PM »
Gillette silver, now this....

What that other one you made up too JK?

Man, must be football season upon bringing out all this stuff..

Garland Bayley

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2008, 08:22:45 PM »
Well at least I know you guys are interested in something besides golf architecture. (Except of course JK, who objected to Anna and the other pictures).
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Mike_Cirba

Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2008, 08:54:42 PM »
If this is the kind of stuff that David Kidd has been creating these days I think we should all be encouraging him.   

Jim Adkisson

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Re: The genius of Tetherow's "eyebrows" and "mohawks"
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2008, 09:06:58 PM »
Garland,

You had me fooled for a minute by starting an architectural thread.

Who is Garland? Cute name. Should I try to meet him or her?


Sure if you like a man who does something poorly then brags about how quick he was.

I see, a fast playing high handicapper. Maybe, I could help him out and partner him in a two-ball match.


Why nobody hit this softball, I don't know...I'm sure that anyone would let you partner him in getting something straight in a 2-baller...

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