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Adam Clayman

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Re: Another noobie question for the Architects here
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2008, 11:01:21 AM »
At Dismal River, the original 13th had to be altered significantly because the tilt was severe and the corridor (LZ) too small.

So, your last assumption gives too much credit to some.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

J_McKenzie

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Re: Another noobie question for the Architects here
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2008, 11:39:03 AM »
Michael,

As others have alluded to, it's primarily done for fun or in special circumstances to test a carry yardage or see how a ball is going to react, etc.  It can also be done for marketing purposes, a skill that most golden age architects aren't given enough credit for.

Here are a few images from Love Golf Design's project in Mexico.  These first two are of Davis trying to qualify a back tee location on the 18th hole- notice the edge of the arroyo running down the left side of the proposed fairway.





For reference, this is a photo of the completed 18th taken during grow-in, obviously from a different angle above and to the right the teeing area.



This image is of Davis' brother Mark hitting from the first landing area on the par-5 17th.  He was checking to see if the elevated green is potentially reachable in two without the help of the prevailing wind-  it is.



In most cases, the designer doesn't have to hit that many shots because the owner or guys on the construction crew are doing it for him.  If you want to know how certain holes are going to play well before a course opens, these are the guys to talk to.

John

Michael

Re: Another noobie question for the Architects here
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2008, 11:53:03 AM »
Thanks John.

 The comment of testing distance in respect to wind, I would imagine the designers consult a wind rose(chart) to determine the prevailing direction/speed on winds during the routing phase of the project?

J_McKenzie

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Re: Another noobie question for the Architects here
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2008, 12:13:04 PM »
Michael,

Wind is always a consideration, but it's priority in the design process can be site specific.  The project in Mexico is located on the Pacific side of the penninsula, right along the ocean, so the wind there was a major factor in all the design decisions.  The owner actually performed a one year wind study to determine if a golf course was even feasible.  Compare that to a course we built in south Georgia, where wind is not a constant element, and it was the natural land features that dictated most of the design.

John