Comparing and contrasting Garden City and Myopia Hunt

[TEPaul]

“Play began around June 1? Did play begin on May 31st or June 17th or some other date? When you say the 3 months is accurate are you saying Appleton's projection it would take 3 months to build the course was precise to the day? When did consruction begin?
I don't wan't to dismiss conteporaneous board records but I would hope they would give us more than play began around June 1.”






Mommy, Mommy, MOMMMY, make that mean, evil and flawed Dacre Bush and Edward Weeks give me my dates. I’m Tommy MacWood! I want to be an “expert” researcher! MOMMMY MAKE those horrible men give me MY EXACT DATES!!!

[TEPaul]

"He did not include Willie Campbell in his book. Considering his importance to Boston golf developments and the history of Myopia that is a serious error."





Shame upon those silly, seriously flawed men, Bush, Leeds and Weeks!! They can't recognize a truly important man to Boston golf and the history of Myopia when he's standing right there teaching beginners how to play golf for most of 1896.




"Please explain. Are you saying that access to these golf courses may alter my historical judgement?  Has it altered your judgement?"



Jeeeesus, spare me! Does this man have more than half a brain?

[TEPaul]

"When you say the 3 months is accurate are you saying Appleton's projection it would take 3 months to build the course was precise to the day? When did consruction begin?"


Mr. MacWood:

To get any kind of feel or understanding about what they were doing at Myopia back in 1894 you really should try spending a few hours walking some land trying to do a nine hole routing. I don't believe Appleton called up Fazio and Co. when the snow melted in 1894 and ordered up a fleet of D-6s but maybe you do.

All they did is peg natural green sites and sod them. The levelling of some areas for tees was probably all the actual construction needed. The hazard features were all natural other than some stone walls. Appleton may have looked into a long term lease on a fleet of Toro triplex mowers but for some reason he decided to just use the sheep that were penned in a fold behind the stables. The three months was simply to allow the sodded greens enough time to take and grow-in, then get cut and be ready for play around June 1, 1894, and the fairways enough time to grow out of the winter while the sheep penned in on them munched on them for a couple of months. 

And you call yourself a golf architecture historian, Mr. MacWood?   

Mommy, MOMMMY, make those silly flawed men in 1894 give me EXACT DATES AND DETAILS----I WANNA BE AN EXPERT RESEARCHER WHEN I GROW UP! 

Now, now Little Tommy, here's a nice little Boston Globe article for you to play with.

[Thomas MacWood]

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It would appear timelines are not something you seriously consider. IMO that is why you often get these things wrong, that and a big time lack of information - a deadly combination. Because you have absolutley no contemporaneous information (due to the fact you are incapable of finding it) you are forced to rely upon Weeks' seriously flawed account.

You don't have any comeporaneous reports that Appleton laid out the course. You don't have the date the committee first met; you don't have the date the snow melted when Appleton & Co supposedly inspected the site; you don't have the date when they reported back to the committee; you don't have the date the course was laid out; you don't have the date when construction began; you don't have the date when the course opened for play. The only dates you have are March 31, 1894 and June 18, 1894 (both given to you). You have no idea how long it took to layout a nine hole golf course in 1894. But yet you can guarantee us that Campbell could not have laid out the course. Why? Because Ed Weeks said so.

You stick with Weeks I'll figure it out on my own, and we will just have to leave it at that.

[TEPaul]

"But yet you can guarantee us that Campbell could not have laid out the course. Why? Because Ed Weeks said so.
You stick with Weeks I'll figure it out on my own, and we will just have to leave it at that. "


Mr. MacWood:

I can indeed. Myopia's archives prove it unless you think someone who had not yet arrived in America could have done it? Appleton, Merrill and Gardner laid out the original nine of Myopia in 1894. Or perhaps you're just confused with something he may've done with Leeds when he got to Myopia in 1896. When one is an expert researcher like you no big deal with being off by a few years, right?

By the way, it's Ted Weeks, not Ed Weeks and it's Francis Appleton, not Frances Appleton unless you think Colonel Appleton was a girl.

Good luck figuring out Campbell laid out the original nine in 1894. I'm afraid it will take you something like an eternity to figure that out since he didn't do it. Probably your best policy would be to just say he did and pretend you have something to prove it and then refuse to produce it because you must stick to your "Pledge". You've certainly done that before so why mess with that kind of research success, right?