[PThomas]

John Nixon;  Anyone who mentions Skyline Chili in a conversation like this is my kind of guy.  I'm afraid that the existence of Camargo alone elevates Cincy above New Orleans.

I must disagree Shel...I had Skyline Chili again today in Cincy, not for the first time, and i think it isn't as good as my wife's homemade chili

consider this an invitation to come over some time and try hers!

[John Nixon]

John Nixon;  Anyone who mentions Skyline Chili in a conversation like this is my kind of guy.  I'm afraid that the existence of Camargo alone elevates Cincy above New Orleans.

I must disagree Shel...I had Skyline Chili again today in Cincy, not for the first time, and i think it isn't as good as my wife's homemade chili

consider this an invitation to come over some time and try hers!

Ahh, Skyline. Just as polarizing as ever....     

[Deucie Bies]

Thanks Deucie,

I have been surprised by the food here. You would never think of it as a culinary capital but once you get down here you find that it has some pretty amazing food. The variety and quality of the restaurants is incredible. JWinick obviously doesn't agree with us on this one.

Robert

Thanks Robert.  I noticed you attend SMU.  I spent 4 years there getting my JD/MBA from 2001-2005.  From what I understand, there are even more great restaurants now than when I was there.  What do you think about the golf courses?  Have you had the chance to play some of the higher ranked courses?

[Gene Greco]

Are you out of your mind?  No one would ever consider Dallas to be a culinary capital.   I'm not saying they don't have some good restaurants, but please.

                                                Dallas, Texas


  There is no golf architecture in that city which can begin to rival the gastronomic offerings at places like The Mansion on Turtle Creek, any of Dean Fearing's dining establishments and a host of other fine dining establishments.

    Ah, yes, I've made yet another friend here on GolfClubAtlas.com (the 2008 edition ).

Whatever happened to that intimate little website called Traditional Golf.com I used to log onto in 1999?

It's long gone but I digress.......


The directive given by Mr. Kavanaugh is to simply 'Nominate your town where the food is better than the architecture.'


I lived in Texas for three years and felt the food in general was better than the architecture overall. Furthemore, the finest dining experiences I had were meals prepared for me by my friend Dean Fearing  at The Mansion at Turtle Creek which surpassed any of the architecture presented to me at even the best Texas golf courses and more specifically those in Dallas.

Contrast this to the town I presently live in where two of the top 10 courses in the world are located and seven of the top 100 are and one would need Chefs Keller, Ducaisse and Trotter just for starters to try to keep pace.

As Ambassador Mucci likes to say, "Hope this helps."

[Tom_Doak]

I will cast a vote for Kinsale, Ireland.  The restaurants there are off the charts good.  But I am not a fan of Old Head.

[Mike Sweeney]

Tom,

I thought you were actually going to say Ithaca, NY. With Cornell Hotel School graduates running many, it has a number of very good restaurants. With two RTJ courses in town and a muni or two, it has solid but not great golf.

[Scott Weersing]

How could we forget Florence, Oregon?

The International Seafood Market in Florence has all you can eat Dungeness Crab. We often started our annual trip to Bandon by eating there.

The food is better than the layout at Sandpines or Ocean Dunes.

But no one remembers Sandpines as it is just a warmup for Bandon Dunes.

And I prefer Bandon Crossings than crab and Sandpines.

Here is my mate Chris with crab:
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/30483378@N08/2848333988/" title="bandon01 by weersings, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3071/2848333988_41141ac797.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="bandon01" /></a>

[Eric Smith]

How could we forget Florence, Oregon?

The International Seafood Market in Florence has all you can eat Dungeness Crab. We often started our annual trip to Bandon by eating there.

The food is better than the layout at Sandpines or Ocean Dunes.

But no one remembers Sandpines as it is just a warmup for Bandon Dunes.

And I prefer Bandon Crossings than crab and Sandpines.

Here is my mate Chris with crab:
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/30483378@N08/2848333988/" title="bandon01 by weersings, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3071/2848333988_41141ac797.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="bandon01" /></a>

Ahh, the Dungeness Crab.  This is why I give the nod to San Fran for my favorite food, but I haven't played golf IN San Francisco.  If we can include a road trip north a little ways and include the Napa Valley then book it Dano.

I'll echo Tom D's sentiment on the other food and golf thread, Yountville / Napa, CA has some incredible restaurants.  Only so so golf, from my somewhat limited experiences there.  There's a good chance that if you play at Silverado after a meal and a couple glasses at Mustard's, you might rate the golf a full 2 points higher on the Doak scale simply due to the fact that you're blissfully content to do whatever the hell you please. 

[JWinick]

According to Travel & Leisure's favorite cities, a survey of 25 major cities, Dallas finished 23rd in destination restaurants and 21st in ethnic food/cheap eats.   It's great to be vindicated!   

Ranking golf courses, I would have placed it 17 out of the 25 cities listed. 
So, at least the public, does not see Dallas as a destination place for food.  That doesn't mean there are not good golf courses.

If you include golf weather, I think Dallas moves up probably into the middle of the pack. 

http://www.travelandleisure.com/afc/2008/index.cfm

[Gene Greco]

      J:

         Have you been attending The Mucci School of the Incorrigible and Misinformed?


YOUR SOURCE, Travel and Leisure, also ranks The French Room in the Adolphus as "one of the 25 best dining experiences in the world."

http://www.hoteladolphus.com/adolphus_dining.aspx



Gourmet Magazine has ranked two Dallas restaurants in their Top 50 restaurants in the US. This is the same number of restaurants as, for example, Los Angeles and  Boston.

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2006_3rd/Sep06_Gourmet50.html


Neither of these lists include my favorite, The Mansion, even sans Dean Fearing.


Last I checked there was only one TOP 100 golf course in the entire state of Texas as ranked by Golf Magazine.

Furthermore, there are two other posters who have also picked Dallas as the city best meeting the objectives of the original question posed.


Dallas firmly remains my pick. 

[John Kavanaugh]

For obvious reasons I trust the tastes of The Greco, however; I can not see buffets or casino food being top 50 on any respectable culinary list.  If you serve yourself or earn a meal because you bet large the food becomes secondary to the experience.

[David_Tepper]

ANYWHERE in Italy!

[JWinick]

You criticize Travel and Leisure as a source of rating cities and then cite Golf Magazine, which publishes the least reliable rank of golf courses.   I am merely stating what a authority published using the results of a poll from the American public. 

I also cited Mobil Travel Guide, which is typically the leading authority on hotels and restaurants.  No Dallas restaurant received a 5-star rating. 

So, both the elites and the public don't think much of Dallas food.  Does that mean Dallas food sucks?  Not necessarily, and I have enjoyed good food there.  I will check out the restaurants you've cited next time in town. 

Dallas offers great golf weather and lots of public courses, which is a pretty good pre-requisite for good golf.   I'll take Colonial or Dallas National any day of the week over the culinary options of Dallas.   

As the great Meatloaf said, "23 out of 25 ain't bad."

      J:

         Have you been attending The Mucci School of the Incorrigible and Misinformed?


YOUR SOURCE, Travel and Leisure, also ranks The French Room in the Adolphus as "one of the 25 best dining experiences in the world."

http://www.hoteladolphus.com/adolphus_dining.aspx



Gourmet Magazine has ranked two Dallas restaurants in their Top 50 restaurants in the US. This is the same number of restaurants as, for example, Los Angeles and  Boston.

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2006_3rd/Sep06_Gourmet50.html


Neither of these lists include my favorite, The Mansion, even sans Dean Fearing.


Last I checked there was only one TOP 100 golf course in the entire state of Texas as ranked by Golf Magazine.

Furthermore, there are two other posters who have also picked Dallas as the city best meeting the objectives of the original question posed.


Dallas firmly remains my pick. 

[John Kavanaugh]

You criticize Travel and Leisure as a source of rating cities and then cite Golf Magazine, which publishes the least reliable rank of golf courses.   

Please don't tell me you are just another in the long line of Chicago based Golfweek raters.  I don't think you have the balls to say that Digest publishes the best greatest list.

[Ted Kramer]

Napa Ca. and the surrounding area.

Some great dining at Domaine Chandon, Auberge du Soleil, and a number of others.

That Johnny Miller course nearby is awful and the muni right next to Domaine Chandon is fine for the sake of hitting golf balls, but as for a "golf course" it isn't very good.

-Ted

[JWinick]

I'm not a rater, but I think the Golf Digest & Golfweek ratings are superior to Golf Magazine.   

You criticize Travel and Leisure as a source of rating cities and then cite Golf Magazine, which publishes the least reliable rank of golf courses.   

Please don't tell me you are just another in the long line of Chicago based Golfweek raters.  I don't think you have the balls to say that Digest publishes the best greatest list.

[Mike Hendren]

While Dr. Greco was hanging out at The Mansion on Turtle Creek, I was knocking down ribs at Sonny Bryans while sitting in an old wooden school desk or enjoying the Jimmy's Special at Herrera's Mexican Cafe (w/ a jalopena lollipop for desert) with my cooler of Bud back in the early 80's.  An occasional nice meal at Cafe Pacific in Highland Park and business lunch of chicken-fried steak at Going Home downtown rounded out my culinary hangouts in Big D.  I my first Jordan cab at the Petroleum Club and enjoyed the $.99 "dealcutters" breakfast at the Linoleum Club.  Hope a few of those are still around.

There is no Budweiser in the Soviet Union.
- Lewis Grizzard

 

[John Kavanaugh]

I'm not a rater, but I think the Golf Digest & Golfweek ratings are superior to Golf Magazine.   

You criticize Travel and Leisure as a source of rating cities and then cite Golf Magazine, which publishes the least reliable rank of golf courses.   

Please don't tell me you are just another in the long line of Chicago based Golfweek raters.  I don't think you have the balls to say that Digest publishes the best greatest list.

Whew, that was a close one.  btw. Your habit of posting above the quote makes it difficult to read while driving.

I also had a perfectly fine day playing Craig's Ranch in Dallas and found the food choices limiting. 

[Gene Greco]

  J:


     We'll just have to agree to disagree. I put my personal tastes in golf courses and restaurants over virtually anything written in ANY magazine.

Mike:


     I no longer drink Bud. It's Yeungling, Pennsylvania's finest, wherever I can get it.

[Bill_McBride]

While Dr. Greco was hanging out at The Mansion on Turtle Creek, I was knocking down ribs at Sonny Bryans while sitting in an old wooden school desk or enjoying the Jimmy's Special at Herrera's Mexican Cafe (w/ a jalopena lollipop for desert) with my cooler of Bud back in the early 80's.  An occasional nice meal at Cafe Pacific in Highland Park and business lunch of chicken-fried steak at Going Home downtown rounded out my culinary hangouts in Big D.  I my first Jordan cab at the Petroleum Club and enjoyed the $.99 "dealcutters" breakfast at the Linoleum Club.  Hope a few of those are still around.

But Dr Hendren, did you miss Frank Tolbert's chili parlor with the wondrous "chili pie?"  I lived in Dallas 1978-81 and washed down many a chili pie at Tolberts with an ice cold Lone Star longneck, or maybe a Pearl if there weren't any Lone Star. 

[Bill_McBride]

  J:


     We'll just have to agree to disagree. I put my personal tastes in golf courses and restaurants over virtually anything written in ANY magazine.

Mike:


     I no longer drink Bud. It's Yeungling, Pennsylvania's finest, wherever I can get it.

Gene, if you can't find a Yeungling maybe there will be a Shiner Bock.  It's a Texas beer, and Mike Benham and I agree it's the closest thing to Belhaven's Best found in the U.S.

[Kalen Braley]

Bill no way...

Its all about this:



And this..

[Bill_McBride]

So you say, Kalen, so you say........

Have a nice day.

[Kalen Braley]

So you say, Kalen, so you say........

Have a nice day.

More like so I've tasted, so I've tasted.

Next time you're in San Diego, seek out a nice Stone IPA and Alesmith Speedway Stout...you won't regret it.  And if you can find it on tap, all the better.

[Bill_McBride]

I love it.

BEER WARS!

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