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Chris Kane

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2008, 05:36:06 PM »
$28 for a members guest at the weekend Kevin.  Not sure what the story is for non-members.

Norbert P

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2009, 02:20:02 PM »
 Does anybody have an update on this course?  Is it fully open now? Anybody have some pictures they'd like to share.
 It sounds fascinating but can't seem to find much about it on the internet.

BTW What does RACV stand for?
   
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

Andrew Bertram

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2009, 05:25:28 PM »
Slab

RACV = Royal automobile club of victoria

There major role is for roadside assitance in Victoria and they started with the RACV club in Melbourne City and hve branched out with sustained financial success into resorts and other facilities. They currently have the RACV club in the city, Cape Schank resort ojn the mornington peninsula wilt a Trent Jones course, Royal Pines on the gold coast, have just taken over Torquay Golf Club with plans to develop into a resort with hotel etc. Michael Cocking from Clayton golf design has started work down thre on the redevelopment.

Healesville is now open for play and reports are good from those that have played there.

  http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/racv/Internet/Primary/RACV+club/healesville+country+club


Mike_Cocking

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2009, 07:15:45 PM »
Slag,

The course had a soft opening in early November but won't offically open until around February - which is probably why you won't find much advertising on their website etc.

A bit of info for you:

The old course wasn’t well known – slightly off the main road – blink and you’d miss it – with tiny flat greens (under 300m2) narrow fairways and dense vegetation.  Pretty surroundings, but not much of a course.

The new course is only 4800 metres (we actually shortened it by 100m!), but on steep ground.  We planted cool season grasses on all surfaces (fescue / bent on tees and fairways, A1/A4 bent on greens) which is fairly unique for Australia which has helped limit run of the ball and provide some defence, by allowing the ball to hold up on slopes and providing some interesting lies and stances.

The key to the new course are the greens and surrounds.  The goal was to build a great set of greens, with as much variety as possible – strategically and aesthetically.  Some are fairly modest and small, but most are reasonably undulating.  Some greens are well guarded with obvious hazards (creeks and/or bunkers), others are defended more subtly with ground contour.

Creeks were built for drainage and strategy with bunkers added where they fitted - ranging anywhere from 100 to 270 (metres) off the tee making them interesting for all sorts of golfers – even through the course is short. 

Fairways are wide (up to 80 metres) but the greens are so well guarded that you will need to position your ball accurately (and usually close to a hazard) to open up the best line to the flag.

There are 6 par threes, 2 short fives and of the 10 par fours, 6 are under 310 metres!

In addition to the main course is a 4 hole short course built on 2 hectares of flat flood plain.  We really wanted this to be the ultimate practice area where someone could practice every conceivable shot under 200 metres – plus provide somewhere for kids, beginners and conference groups to play a 4 hole game at lunch. 


I've got quite a catalogue of photos and will try and post some of the better / more recent ones shortly.



Mike Cocking

Norbert P

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2009, 04:35:02 PM »
  Mike, thanks for the informative reply.  I will be waiting eagerly for the pictures that you mention.


  Tyler Kearns, I like your prognosis for a growing niche market
       " . . .  I think it is these types of facilities that will be a boon to golf in the future.  . . . "  TK
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

Mike_Cocking

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2009, 05:24:10 PM »
These were taken about 2 months ago, before the fescue really had a chance to brown off in the roughs and look good, but you should get a sense of what the course is like.  I've tried to put a couple of green photos in but as usual contours don't show up that well in photos.

The approach to the par four 1st



The short uphill par three 2nd



The reverse tiered, bunkerless 3rd green



Downhill, par three 4th



Approach to the medium length par four 5th



The short par four 6th



The green at 6 - the big ridge running through the left side of the green and the small pot bunker work a little like the road hole green



Tee shot on the downhill short par five 8th


Looking back up the 8th - this is probbaly the wildest green on the course.  Split into 4 sections by a 5ft high ridge running across the middle of the green with tiers running through the green



Two shots of the 10th - the top one is just prior to the holes opening when the fescues were doing their thing.  The photos are interesting though becauase they show how close the Black Saturday fires got to the course earlier this year (the mountains in the distance).  Saturday morning the entire hillside was on fire before the wind changed direction mid morning.






Short par four 12th




Par three 13th




Alternate route short par five 15 - with the short three 16th in the distance playing back over the same creek


The uphill, short par four 18th



A couple of shots of the short course - panoramic shot with the 1st green in the foreground, 2nd in middle, throird in distance and last on far right


Close up of the Biarritz short course 3rd green




Mike.

 










 





Matthew Mollica

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2009, 08:05:12 PM »
Thanks so much Mike for the pictures and commentary.
It looks amazing.

Is there any possibility of a GCA day there?
Maybe a few foursomes of Aussie GCAers?

Matthew
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

Kevin Pallier

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2009, 10:46:36 PM »
Mike

Great picks - love the look of that Biarittz !!

Healesville - will definitely be on my agenda to try and play when I'm next down that that way.

Andrew Summerell

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2009, 11:09:15 PM »
Thanks for the pictures, Mike. I only wished I lived near a course of this length, strategy & look. It looks idea for its purpose.

Norbert P

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2009, 11:32:14 PM »
  Thanks Mike, those picts are terrific representations of great work.  Amazing how keeping things to scale while stretching shapes and features creates such a dynamic landscape.   Mackenzie or Russell would be proud.
                                                 "Royal Healesville"        It's got a nice ring to it.

 
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

Mike_Duffy

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2009, 11:41:26 PM »
I remember going out to the RACV Country Club as a guest of Cameron Williams who was the course superintendent at the time. It was quite a few years ago and my recollection of that day was the hardness of the clay, with large cracks on some of the fairways. Cameron was working extra hard to make something out of the course but I couldn't envisage it happening. The topography was a nightmare and it wasn't really good golf territory.

I departed that day with the impression that the golf course was merely an adjunct for RACV members enjoying a weekend away in the Yarra Valley.

I might take a peeky-boo when I'm back in Melbourne and take a day trip out through the Yarra Valley.

Danny Goss

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2009, 02:35:18 AM »
Looks terrific Mike. A GCA day is a great idea.

Is it open for play now to the public - or RACV members?

James Bennett

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2009, 02:59:05 PM »

The reverse tiered, bunkerless 3rd green



what an engaging, interesting and simple green.  Looks terrific Michael.

James B
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Andrew Thomson

Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2009, 07:20:42 AM »
I'm in the area at the moment and intend to have a hit between now and x-mas if anyone is around.

Mike_Cocking

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2009, 08:26:30 PM »
Matthew / Danny etc.

I'm sure we could arrange a visit and a walk around, but I'm pretty sure golf is just restricted to RACV Club members.  Let me know if you're interested though and I can make a few inquiries and see whats possible.


Mike.

Matthew Mollica

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2011, 08:39:55 AM »
Well, a lucky group of 16 Melbourne based golfers, many of whom are GCA members or lurkers, ventured to Healesville last weekend. What a blast.

The only disappointing thing about the day was the changed maintenence practices. Comparisons between the images in Mike Cocking's post of late 2009, and the appearance of the course today are not flatterring for the current mowig patterns and course upkeep. The layout is still however a joy to play.

I've penned a hole by hole pictorial for an aussie based forum (www.thegolfforum.com) and will share it here.

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The Royal Automobile Club of Victoria (RACV) is a large organisation. Within the various services it provides (insurance, travel, and a plethora of others) there exists a Club within a Club. Members of the RACV Club have the opportunity to enjoy a host of facilities throughout Victoria (Cape Schanck, Torquay, Inverloch, CBD, Healesville, Cobram) and even Royal Pines on the Gold Coast.

The RACV Healesville Country Club is situated in the Yarra Valley - a 75 minute drive from Melbourne.



The Country Club possesses 80 brand new fully appointed accommodation rooms, adjoining great conference facilities. Numerous dining rooms and café areas, a library, sports bar, day spa, fitness centre, games room, billiards room and swimming pool too. There's tennis courts, a three rink bowling green, a croquet lawn, and even a giant outdoor jumping pillow for young kids!

But what takes us there is the golf course, which includes a new four hole short course. Mike Clayton's course design firm was charged with the task of rejuvinating the existing course several years ago.

Sitting on clay soils, the course traverses some nicely undulating land, which generates typical Australian bush land vistas. Hills in the distance, and gums on either side of the fairways.



The course was not designed to host professional tournaments. It was designed first and foremost with repeat member play in mind. The RACV member demographic no doubt encompasses a broad age range, and likely an even broader spread of golfing skill and frequency of play. The course measures 4872m from the back marks (4272m for women), at par 68. The fairways are generously wide, with no forced carries. The greens are an absolute blast - dramatic and undulating, providing endless fun and challenge. They're playable for all, yet demand accuracy and respect from regular golfers trying to post a good score. The course is resultantly a perfect fit for the majority of the RACV Club members for whom it was designed.

Several years ago,  Mike Clayton suggested "It's 5500 yards the aim was to make a course where Geoff Ogilvy, his dad and his mum could play off the same tees and all really enjoy it. There are enough really fun shots on and around the greens for Geoff to enjoy it - as well as a couple of long 3s, short but interesting 4s and a couple of longish two-shotters to give him some difficult long shots."

The first hole is a 328m dog leg right par 4, playing uphill. The drive is bunkerless, as are several other through the round. The green is tough to visualise on the uphill approach.

1st tee shot


1st approach


If time didn't permit a visit to the practice putting green pre-round, the first green is enough to indicate what sort of putting challenges lie in wait. Boldly contoured, and divided into distinct segments, the first green possesses a bold rise within its back left quarter. The "greens within a green" concept is executed so well and so consistently at Healesville - a real feature of the course. Most greens are bunkered, and the first possesses a left side trap, and another at the rear. The hazard on the right (which when viewed from the fairway seems adjacent to the green) is more than 30m short of the green front. This too is a cool feature frequently encountered through the round.

1st hole, from green rear back down the fairway


1st green, viewed from right


The second hoe at RACV is the first of the course's 6 par 3 holes. This one plays 134m uphill, with a putting surface almost completely unsighted from the tee.

2nd tee shot


Bunkering cut into the rise short left of the green is a little short of the putting surface.


One of the smallest and flattest greens on the course, it still possesses some nice internal movement.
Chipping from behind the green can be tough, with loads of short grass around the putting surface.

2nd green, from rear


The third is a 335m downhill, straight, unbunkered par 4 with a big green. Sounds boring right?

3rd tee shot


Well, it looks harmless enough, despite the fairway being canted a little left to right.


There's a small knoll short left of the green which can complicate things. And the green is strongly contoured into three distinct zones. Errant approaches yielding putts from one zone to another will more often than not result in bogey. Going long on approach isn't great either.

3rd green


3rd green, from rear


The 4th is a drop shot par three of 176m.


The tee shot is played to a large green, which features a marked longitudinal ridge dividing the green into an upper right two thirds, and a lower left third.



The fifth hole is a par 4 of 351m. The hole bends gently to the left, around a solitary fairway bunker. Drives less than 200m yield a blind approach. This point, and the fact that this is the longest par 4 on the course, sees the fifth play as index #1.

5th tee shot


The approach is played to a wonderful kidney bean shaped green. Slopes right and beyond the green feed the ball back towards the hole. Approaches played too long may find a lone bunker beyond the green.

5th approach


Approach shots coming up short, or played with too much spin, trundle down a slope which drops away quickly from the central portion of the green.

Looking back down the 5th fairway


The sixth is a 302m par 4 - a wonderfully simple hole. It is also sure to be criticised by those who don't score well on it.

A small trap on the left of the fairway requires a 120m carry, and isn't really in play for most of us. The solitary trap 215m out on the right is where all the action should be.

6th tee shot


The green is bunkered on the left, and the putting surface is characterised by a large knoll on it's front left segment. The further right the tee shot is played, the easier the approach shot. Drives played to the left will invariably see a tough second shot, and sometimes an even tougher third.

6th approach


Several holes on The Old Course at St. Andrews feature sizeable undulations within their greens, or in the areas immediately prior. Holes 2 and 4 come to mind. Approach is best made after placing a drive with the undulation foremost in mind. The concept is employed here. And what's wrong with asking someone to hit an accurate tee shot on a short, reasonably wide hole?

More holes to come tomorrow...

MM
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

Matthew Mollica

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2011, 03:24:42 AM »
The par 4 348m seventh plays through a wide fairway, uphill towards a large sweeping green.

7th tee shot


A single bunker sits on the left of the fairway, and on approach looks to be adjacent to the putting surface. The hazard is a few dozen metres short of the front edge of the green, a theme encountered several times throughout the round. All these hazards do a good job of lulling one into thinking the approach is shorter than it actually is.

The generous green features more subtle and sweeping contours than many others on the course. It is more than 40m deep, and features a very nicely constructed false front.

7th green



The par 5 eighth hole descends the rise climbed by the preceding hole. At 423m downhill, it is eminently reachable. But the green is treacherous. And a diagonal water hazard must be negotiated before any putting's to be done.

8th tee shot


The solitary right side fairway bunker requires a 200m carry from the tee.
Those playing a second from near this hazard are presented with this view.


The diagonal creek meanders through the fairway from left to right, eventually hugging the right side of the green. Drives of 300m and longer may trickle into the creek, which appears much closer to the tee than it actually is.

Many TGF members will simply hit a mid or short iron second to the green, and hunt an eagle putt. The shot in best be accurate, as there are distinct greens within the green. Each quadrant is sharply defined, and putting from one to another is not often easy.

8th approach


Many regular RACV Club golfers will face a decision with their second shot - pins on the left side of the green may be best approached from the right, and vice versa. Where to place a second shot? When to cross the creek? What distance to leave for a third shot?

View from 8th green to 8th fairway


The green itself is large, with much of it's right half sloping towards the water hazard immediately right. A large left side bunker intrudes upon the putting surface to such an extent that balls on the front left quadrant are unable to be putted to the hole when it is cut back left. A cool feature, yet some will not like it.

8th green


On a course with several stand-out holes of high quality, this may be the pick for most.

The final hole on the front nine at Healesville is another short 4 - 287m in length. The fairway tilts a little from left to right, and most tee shots will fall right, a point which yields the less desirable approach position. Again (unsurprisingly) the area from which approaches are best made is where a lone fairway bunker stands sentinel.

9th tee shot


Those trying to drive the green and falling short face this 50m bunker shot.


The ninth green is a more simple affair than most on the course, but is deceptively well contoured, with another good false front seen at the right of the green.


The back nine at RACV Healesville starts out with consecutive par 3s.

The tenth (130m) is a pretty looking hole with deep flanking bunkers pinching the front portion of the green. The seemingly safe and more expansive putting area towards the back of the green is quite intricately contoured, and more than enough to keep some scratching their heads.

10th tee shot


The eleventh affords much less visibility of the green from the tee.


Playing 163m, the lone bunker plays tricks with distance perception, sitting shorter of the green than most expect.


Lots of short grass around the green, and a neat little collection point short right of the putting surface.

The twelfth hole at Healsville is another hole of high quality. A par 4 of 265 metres. Bunkered sparingly, but intelligently, with a ton of width, loads of options, more than enough temptation and a good green.



The putting surface is reachable from the tee, but despite looking manageable enough, there's trouble near the green. And, acres of fairway begging to be hit! The green is angled slightly across the axis of the hole, and constructed such that pins on the right are best attacked from the left of the fairway, and vice versa. As the picture below illustrates, when going right off the tee, it's much more straight forward a task approaching a pin on the left, rather than one on the green's right, tucked over the rise, adjacent to the guarding bunker.



The green is more subtly cotoured than most on the course. A small sheft sits just beyond the front right bunker, such that those suckered into driving the green with a flag just beyond the bunker had better land soft. Too strong a shot in - the ball trundles down the slope, towards the green's centre and rear bunkers.



On a course boasting more than a handful of high calibre holes, this is a genuine star. A high quality, strategic hole, yet owing to it's simplicity, may fly under the radar. The hole's geometry is very similar to the stellar 14th at Lost Farm, yet the green complex here is more sophisticated, exerting greater influence upon tee shot line. This hole would sit proudly on any Sandbelt course.

Matthew
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

Matthew Mollica

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2011, 07:20:35 AM »
The 13th is the penultimate par 3 of the day. Playing 141m, ever so slightly uphill. The large facing bunker generates an intimidating appearance to a relatively straight-forward shot. The green is artfully divided into front and back portions by a ridge which wanders through the green. Again, lots of short grass around the green, making for a broad variety of recovery options.



The next is a 341m par 4. A generous and unbunkered fairway lies in wait.



The green is hemmed in by bunkers at all four corners, necessitatng an accurate approach. Particularly if the pin is cut in the narrow section of green pinched between the two front bunkers. From the fairway, the green appears to open out at the rear, yet it drops away quite quickly. Putts played to this bigger portion of green invariably produce lengthier and more testing first putts.



The fifteenth will be judged the best hole on the course by many. An unbunkered hole, it is a 421m par 5, which features a stream wandering through the length of the hole. The fairway is expansive, and the creek can't be more than a few metres wide at most points, yet it's effect on decision making and driving is great.

Where best to go? Can I get home in two? Should I challenge the creek on the drive?


The further left the drive is played, the better the angle into the green. The portion of fairway right of the creek is more generous.

This is what you see after a reasonable drive. The creek is much further from the green front than it appears. Long approaches played from this point can fall dozens of metres short of the green and remain dry.



There's a broad lay-up area right of the green, leaving a wedge third for those who aren't long, or who didn't drive their best. This area still necessitates clearing the creek on approach, as the green's right edge is nestled hard against the water hazard. The safer / further from the creek the lay up is played, the worse the approach angle.



The green features a "scooped out" segment through much of the middle segment of the green, almost making it a Biarritz in style. It's much like the depression within the left of the new green on 11 at The Lakes. The rear of the green is a higher plateau. This makes for interesting chipping and putting, while also demanding an accurate second from the longer, more skilled golfer aiming for eagle or birdie.



This is a fun, dramatic, individual hole, where anything from 3 to 7 can be had (and was among our boys on the day). Yet another hole of real class. It owes much of it's quality to construction, as well as design skill and imagiation, as if the creek appeared synthetic, the hole would lose much of it's charm.

The 16th is the final par 3 of the day. At 125m it will be a short iron or wedge for most.

Placed innocuously on a flat, uninspiring segment of land, where one could so easily exit the 15th green, and walk to where the 17th tee sits. Yet this hole is another of quality, sits comfortably on the land, and within the routing, and is potentially of famous lineage.

The creek encountered on the previous hole meanders along, fronting the 16th green. Short grass extends from the 16th tee to the hazard. The green is quite a wide target, yet not overly deep. It sits across the axis of the hole, slightly obliquely (8 o'clock to 2 o'clock), with its surface tilted from back to front. A bunker sits at the rear of the green.

I don't think it's too much to suggest that 16 at Healesville


is a copy of a famous, slightly longer par 3 we see on TV every year.


So much of this hole plays the same.
Yet - I can't believe Clayton would be involved in a homage to the boys at Augusta National...

Looking back to the 16th tee


The seventeenth is yet another great short par 4, and at 298m will feel reachable for some. The fairway is again wide, and a lone left side fairway bunker obscures the green from view to those on the tee. But the top of the flag is visible above the hazard's top line, waving temptingly.



A direct line over the bunker is required if eagle putts are sought. Those falling short face a tricky chip, as a knoll within the left of the green repells balls to the right, and the green contours also feed off to the front and back of the putting surface.



Many golfers may elect to aim well right of the green, playing safe, into the broad fairway.



The green sits adjacent to a small scrubby rise, and is yet another with terrific undulation and fun putting.



The final hole at Healesville is a show-stopper. A 304m par 4, played from an elevated tee, into a broad valley, then up to a wild, imaginative green.



The fairway is bisected by a long, slender bunker which ascends towards the green. The left flank of the fairway is also bunkered, but transversely, presenting a carry of 220m.



Driving into the skinny central fairway bunker presents this view and a 60m uphill sand shot


The green on the home hole is amazing. A boomerang shape, with a caverous front bunker sitting in between the left and right wings of the green. A clear head is required on the tee, as drives are best placed on the same side of the fairway as the pin. The pressure is also on approach play, with great undulation and unique geometry of the green presenting it's share of challenges.





Chipping and putting from the back of the green is tougher than it looks. And putting from one wing of the green, all the way up and around the bunker, back down onto the other side of the green, is quite possible.



What a dramatic completion to the round.


RACV Healesville is a perfect template for future course design and construction. It successfully addresses so many of the ills in our game today. We lament the escalating cost of land acquisition necessitated by far flying balls and modern clubs. And the increasing time a round takes when walking modern, lengthy courses. Such layouts are costly to build, and expensive to maintain. They often aren't much fun. Especially for beginners, the aeging golfers, and the less skilled. They do little to stimulate greater participation in the sport.

Yet here is a course which was completely renovated, and shortened by around 100 yards! With a modest 38 bunkers. The greens are imaginative, fun, challenging, and unique. The fairways are wide, and several are devoid of hazards. Short grass encompasses most greens. The course is playable for all, and facets are enjoyable and stimulating for those on handicaps of 1, through to those with handicaps over 30, and even beginners. Brains are rewarded much more so than brawn. The demographic to which the course appeals may be one of the widest of all courses on Earth.

From an economic viewpoint, the shorter and sparingly bunkered course is easier to upkeep. Especially with the maintenance practices sugested by Clayton's design firm specifying simple mowing, with tees, fairways and surrounds all one height. If only this advice was followed

I can't help but think that Healesville provides an experience enjoyed by those playing Augusta National in the early days of the course's life. Exciting water hazards, boldly contoured greens with wickedly breaking putts. A course of manageable length and less bunkers than convention would dictate. Wide fairways with minimal rough, where thoughtful placement of drives was rewarded, all on a course covering picturesque undulating contryside.

Some might scoff at a par 68 course almost a mile shorter than historic local tournament venues. Yet the intelligent golfer will look at Healesville and marvel at the quality of so many holes. 5, 6, 8, 12, 15, 16, 17 and 18 are all of high calibre. Collectively, they may lift a sub-5000m par 68 course into the nation's Top 50. If offerred a game at Healesville, or any of the courses recognised as sitting around #30 to #50 in the country, I wouldn't hesitate to grab the clubs and drive to the Yarra Valley. Putting some of Melbourne's older Sandbelt clubs' noses out of joint in the process.

MatthewM
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2011, 09:27:04 AM »
Very, very interesting and attractive work.

Congrats to Clayts and Mike Cocking, and the rest of their group. Very cool.
jeffmingay.com

Scott Warren

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2013, 12:23:42 AM »
I had my first visit to Healesville a few weeks back and have spent much of the subsequent time remembering all the fantastic shots and greens. Mike Cocking is as good a host as he is a golf course architect designer!

For my money it's a must-visit for any tourist ahead of many sandbelt courses, for three reasons.

1. The course is really different to anything else I have played and has a strong character of its own.
2. Healesville is a great little town with plenty for all interests.
3. The quality of the golf and the thought-provoking nature of such good golf at such modest length needs to be experienced. Like the value of immense width, the fact that such a short course can be THIS good has to be experienced to be genuinely understood.

I couldn't help but think of so many cramped Sydney courses on similarly steep land and heavy soil whose members would be far better off with a 4800m (5300-yard) course like Healesville - full of shots and greens that put a smile on your face and which take a lot less time to play.

A few pics to add to those up above and continue to detail the course's evolution.

The fantastic par three 4th, which required a punched 18* hybrid for me, the ridge running lengthways through the green demanding accuracy and creating some interesting recovery shots.


The long two-shotter at the 8th (labelled a par five, but driver, 6i from the tips for me) was the perfect length for the approach you need to hit. The green is cut in two distinct portions by a central ridge (reminded me a bit of the 5th green at The Lakes in that sense), with the hillside allowing you to work the ball in from the left to a front pin. The first great use of this creek, with it also utilised really well at the 15th and 16th.



The par three 10th. This hole is visible on the left of the driveway as you enter the resort and really gets the motor running.


The view to the green from the 15th fairway, a short par five (dr, 4i for me) which is split into LHS and RHS portions by the creek, which then threads down to the green and runs at an angle across its face. As a result, a drive that is bravely threaded down the narrower LHS fairway gets this preferable angle of approach. In my case, I aimed well right and happened to pull the ears off it! The 16th green, utilising the same creek, is visible in the distance.

« Last Edit: April 30, 2013, 12:26:24 AM by Scott Warren »

Thomas Dai

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2013, 05:50:57 AM »
I recall playing RACV/Healesville 30+ years ago when it was nothing like this. Great work by all involved. The bunkering, use of ditches and the shaping and contours of the greens in general look splendid. Goes to show that a course doesn't have to be long to be terrific.

All the best

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2013, 09:08:35 AM »

Scott,

The one question that I keep going over in my mind is"is this a course of national significance or a course of international significance? Thoughts?
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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2013, 04:58:54 PM »
David

I expect the easier question might be whether Healesville is in the top 5 in the world for courses of that length.  I don't know of any courses that better it, but my knowledge is thin here.

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2013, 09:27:25 PM »
David,

I really do believe Healesville is of international significance.

There's nothing out there quite like it that I have seen and to my mind, in an age of 6600-yard-plus courses being increasingly squeezed on properties that can't fit them comfortably, what has been achieved at Healesville is the answer to the question being asked in dozens of club boardrooms in Sydney alone, let alone elsewhere in Australia and the world.

The par 70 and 6000m/6600y barriers will be difficult to break in a broad sense, but the more people who play at Healesville, the better chance we have of convincing the golfing world that such a course is as legitimate as a "championship" course and more fun than 99% of golf courses.

And I don't see it as a case of trying to convince people to build 4800m (5300y) courses, but to look at their property, terrain and acreage, consider their membership and ask themselves if the course they have is the course that best fits their circumstances.

And the happy by-product is that such a course can be significantly cheaper to maintain and much faster to play.

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Re: RACV Club Healesville
« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2013, 03:17:36 AM »
David,

There's nothing out there quite like it that I have seen and to my mind, in an age of 6600-yard-plus courses being increasingly squeezed on properties that can't fit them comfortably, what has been achieved at Healesville is the answer to the question being asked in dozens of club boardrooms in Sydney alone, let alone elsewhere in Australia and the world.

The par 70 and 6000m/6600y barriers will be difficult to break in a broad sense, but the more people who play at Healesville, the better chance we have of convincing the golfing world that such a course is as legitimate as a "championship" course and more fun than 99% of golf courses.

And I don't see it as a case of trying to convince people to build 4800m (5300y) courses, but to look at their property, terrain and acreage, consider their membership and ask themselves if the course they have is the course that best fits their circumstances.

And the happy by-product is that such a course can be significantly cheaper to maintain and much faster to play.

Si! 

Thanks for the tour and comments.  I love this kind of stuff.  I know if I ever make it to Melbourne this place is definitely on my radar.

Ciao
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