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Mike_Cirba

Re: Why do we go easy on MacDonald and Raynor?
« Reply #675 on: September 11, 2008, 07:49:16 AM »
Wasn't Lloyd the only member of the search committee who was also on the construction committee?

Tom,

Yes, without going back and looking I do believe he was.   

And let's not forget that these transactions took place at a time far, far before much of the government regulations and other oversight committees.

You're correct that it was a much different time back then in terms of business practices and what was deemed ethical.

Laissez-Faire...caveat emptor....all of these ring a bell. ;)

TEPaul

Re: Why do we go easy on MacDonald and Raynor?
« Reply #676 on: September 11, 2008, 08:16:05 AM »
Both Rodman Griscom and Horatio Gates Lloyd were on the MCC Search Committee and Hugh Wilson's committee that designed and built Merion East and West.

Thomas MacWood

Re: Why do we go easy on MacDonald and Raynor?
« Reply #677 on: September 11, 2008, 08:22:20 AM »
TE
The two letters from the search committee to the membership were signed by the search committee members and Griscom was not one of the names.

TEPaul

Re: Why do we go easy on MacDonald and Raynor?
« Reply #678 on: September 11, 2008, 09:18:28 AM »
Sorry, Rodman Griscom was not on the MCC Search Committee For Golf Grounds. Rodman Griscom was the MCC member who got Macdonald and Whigam to come to Ardmore in 1910 to meet with the MCC Search Committee. Griscom was on the Wilson committee that designed and constructed Merion East and West. Nine holes of MCC's original course in Haverford was on Clement Griscom's estate, Dolobran. Clement Griscom was Rodman Griscom's father. Interestingly, Rodman Griscom became the first president of Merion G.C. when the MCC Golf Association finally split off from MCC in 1942. The vote was taken in a meeting on Dec. 7, 1941 (a date that will live in infamy). Apparently, when the committee emerged from their meeting they were informed of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

TEPaul

Re: Why do we go easy on MacDonald and Raynor?
« Reply #679 on: September 11, 2008, 09:27:23 AM »
Horatio Gates Lloyd was on the MCC Search Committee For New Golf Grounds. Robert Lesley was the chairman of that committee. Around Nov, 1910, that committee was tranformed into what became the Special Committee on Golf Grounds, and Lloyd became the chairman of that committee. The special Committee on Golf Grounds incorporated the MCC Golf Association into an entity that owned the golf course and leased it back to MCC.

Lloyd was also on Wilson's committee that designed and constructed the East and West courses.