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Dan Herrmann

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What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« on: August 24, 2008, 06:26:54 PM »
I was listening to the Mets/Astros game on WFAN today when an ad for Foxwoods came on.  They touted their "Two exciting Rees Jones CHAMPIONSHIP golf courses!".

We've all heard and seen the term numerous times before. 

To me, it's similar to another pet peeve term of mine, Signature Hole.

I propse that we do everything we can to discourage the term "Championship Course" unless a national championship (open, am, boys, girls, publinx - anything) has been held there.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2008, 06:31:05 PM »
Slippery slope there...a fair number of courses that have held championships pale in comparison to others that have not (for numerous reasons.)  Brookfield CC in Clarence held the 1985 USGA Junior and the Western Open (won by Hogan) but is not in the same class as the new public tracks in WNY (Diamond Hawk, Harvest Hill, Links at Ivy Ridge and Arrowhead.)  I hate the term "green complex" due to its overuse, so I understand your dislike of signature hole and championship course.
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Ken Moum

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2008, 06:35:56 PM »
I was listening to the Mets/Astros game on WFAN today when an ad for Foxwoods came on.  They touted their "Two exciting Rees Jones CHAMPIONSHIP golf courses!".

We've all heard and seen the term numerous times before. 

To me, it's similar to another pet peeve term of mine, Signature Hole.

I propse that we do everything we can to discourage the term "Championship Course" unless a national championship (open, am, boys, girls, publinx - anything) has been held there.

God idea.

But when I was a lad, ~45 years ago, the term was used among the golfers I knew to describe anything over 6,000 yards.

I'm not sure why.

K
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RSLivingston_III

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 06:53:18 PM »
During my historical research I found archies in the early golden era using Championship and Sport to describe the potential courses they could build for their potential new clients. As I understood it, if they had an experienced base of players they went for the Championship course. If they were a new start up with a base of beginners they went for the Sporty course.
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paul cowley

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2008, 06:59:51 PM »
.....beats the s*** out of me!

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Kalen Braley

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 02:58:31 PM »
When I recently played Murphy Creek, which recently held the US AM PubLinx, playing partners informed that the course was moving up in the world and is now officially a "championship" course!!

Perhaps this outta be the criteria!!  ::)  ::)

John Moore II

Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 03:45:09 PM »
But of course a 'championship golf course' is one designed to host championships, and certainly designed by champion architects and champion golfers. Or perhaps they are designed to CHAMPION a cause, such as a cure for syphilis among golfers.

Dan Herrmann

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 04:50:21 PM »
During my historical research I found archies in the early golden era using Championship and Sport to describe the potential courses they could build for their potential new clients. As I understood it, if they had an experienced base of players they went for the Championship course. If they were a new start up with a base of beginners they went for the Sporty course.

Thanks!  Perfect answer; educational too!

archie_struthers

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 04:55:32 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D\

To my understanding , a championship golf course by definition is one that exceeds  6000. yards in length...(six thousand ) in length...

this matches up with  record keeping .... as scores posted at courses less than same are not given historical significance ...note Homero Blancas famous round in the mid fifities in a Texas tournament (55) 

I believe that the Guinness Book of World records now has made 6500 the magic number .....

« Last Edit: August 25, 2008, 05:13:45 PM by archie_struthers »

Matt_Ward

Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 04:59:06 PM »
Dan:

The "championship" course label is solely about marketing and hype. It's meant to signify a course that is not "sporty" or "executive" or some such other lower level layout not worthy of one's time or attention.

The issue is that often the "championship" course is nothing more than the creation of selected hype that far too often disaapoints rather than delights.

Tom_Doak

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2008, 07:05:32 PM »
It essentially means they don't have anything interesting to say about the place.

Cory Brown

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Re: What the heck IS a "Championship"golf course
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2008, 08:29:32 PM »
I had heard at one time something regarding a lawsuit over the sale of a golf course.  It had something to do with the seller touting the golf course as a championship layout, and the buyer was upset because it was actually a shade under 6000 yards.  It makes no sense to me and maybe it was just a rumor, but it still seems like a pointless tagline.
And 6500 yards in the Guiness Book of Records.  Does that mean 6500 yards was some sort of record?  What does that mean?

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