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Ian Andrew

$13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« on: August 18, 2008, 09:42:56 PM »
I was reading the Globe and Mail on the plane a few weeks back - OK a month ago - and noticed that Thousand Islands Club was up for sale. The course is reputed to be designed by Seth Raynor – but after visiting last year I was left wondering how true that was. There was an alps like par five the was pretty cool and a couple of punchbowl greens that were terrific, but a lot of fairly plain holes as well.

The course is owned by the original founder of Sobe Drinks. When I met him last year, I can't say he was in the golf business because he wanted to be - he was in it because he sort had to be. He bought it to stop it from being closed and broken up for real estate and has continued to operate the course since. I'm guessing that he's got tired of doing so and decided to part with the course.

The 8th green sits down in a bowl


The 15th green falls as a redan but has no bunkers


The 5th - Alps? - second shot is over the hill to a punchbowl green


The 11th famous hole out to the St. Lawrence River

« Last Edit: August 18, 2008, 10:00:33 PM by Ian Andrew »

Gerry B

Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 10:33:17 PM »
ian:

being a raynor fan i have asked a number of people how much raynor is actually intact - and have been told - not much.  decided it was not worth the drive. too bad - perhaps there are original plans somewhere - pretty remote location for $13,000,000

Mike_Trenham

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Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 12:03:34 AM »
I this sells for $13MM put it on the NLE list.  I think I paid about $50 near the top of the very short season about 10 years ago.

Not much Raynor is left, my understanding was it was 9 hole of Raynor and later modified.  I would be hard pressed to say there were 9 Raynor holes but the beginning of the back nine and end of the front nine were most likely his.  My memory is poor at best as there was not much here to get excited about.
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John_Conley

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Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 12:05:25 AM »
Where is it?

Greg Tallman

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Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 12:09:34 AM »
And $925,000,000 buys you a site on the dunes near Cabo San Lucas. Serious e-mail everyone received... that's what happens when you hire a realtor with limited education, a boatload of arrogance and broken english!

Her e-mail sent to everyone offers the site (maybe 350 acres) for "925 millions of dollars" LOL

The most reputable real estate pro in our area responds as follows:

1. Who are you?
2. Are these dollars or pesos?

It gets better.... her response to him...

These are "f--cking dollars"

Funny stuff. the site is worth about $80 million in todays market and the girl is serious about the 925 mil...

Sorry to go off topic.

Thomas MacWood

Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 12:10:28 AM »
In 1913 William Watson advertised he designed the course.

Gerry B

Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 12:38:17 AM »
john conley:

it is located in upstate ny  just across the us border from canada  - situated  between kingston and ottawa

RJ_Daley

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Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 02:10:34 AM »
That has got to be an occurance of a misplaced decimal point...
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jeffwarne

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Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 08:39:12 AM »
That has got to be an occurance of a misplaced decimal point...

I'm pretty sure you can buy the entire state north of Albany for less than $13,000,000. ;)

Probably would be difficult to pay even $1.3 million and operate at a profit
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: $13,000,000 buys you a Seth Raynor
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 11:38:57 AM »
There are two golf courses, a marina, hotel, building sites, etc., that are part of the TICC. I wouldn't be able to comment on the practicality of 13mil for the site(at least a few hundred acres), but you could easily spend 1/2 mil. to 1 1/2mil.  for a house on Wellesley Island that is on or near the water.

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