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Deucie Bies

Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« on: January 30, 2009, 05:04:52 PM »
I am going to Annapolis in May and am looking for suggestions of where to play.  I would be curious to hear suggestions assuming access is not a problem and public courses.  Thanks in advance.

K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 05:25:50 PM »
I haven't spent much time in that area and I've never played golf there, but given one round I'd assume the play would be Baltimore Country Club - Five Farms.  It looked great on TV during last year's Sr PGA Championship.  It's definitely a place I hope to visit someday.

http://www.bcc1898.com/

Bill Brightly

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 11:30:36 PM »
I think you would want to play the Naval Academy course. I'm not sure about acess, but I played it years ago and loved it. It is a William Flynn course, so if you are on this website, you should try to play it!
« Last Edit: January 30, 2009, 11:33:56 PM by Bill Brightly »

Cory Lewis

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 08:06:59 AM »
Since Beechtree is gone now, your best bet north of Baltimore would be Bulle Rock, Mountain Branch, or Greystone.  Closer to Annapolis, cross the bridge and play Upland or the courses at Queenstown Harbor.
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Rob_Waldron

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2009, 08:21:43 AM »
Cory's suggestuions of Bulle Rock , Mountain Branch, or Greystone are good however not very convenient to Annapolis. The two best courses nearby are the new Lake Presidential (Must Play) and South River. Renditions is a unique repilca concept that is typically in less than acceptable condition. Queenstown River across the Bay Bridge is fairly decent but overpriced. Try Cantler's or Harris's for crabs.!   

Sean_A

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2009, 08:25:06 AM »
If you are looking for a quick 9 hole game to fill out a trip I would play Annapolis GC - which is very convenient to Annapolis proper.  Its an old Banks which has been neglected and abused, but the bones of a very fun game are still very much evident.  It doesn't cost much time or money to discover what I think is a great little gem.  I dpn't quite know how our eminent 9 hole expert missed this one for his book!  

Unless things have drastically changed, here is one can expect to see.


http://www.annapolisgolfclub.net/

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« Last Edit: January 31, 2009, 08:40:54 AM by Sean Arble »
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2009, 08:33:05 AM »
Boy, they went all out on that Annapolis Golf Club website, huh?  I could spend seconds on it.
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Sean_A

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2009, 08:41:49 AM »
Boy, they went all out on that Annapolis Golf Club website, huh?  I could spend seconds on it.

Ronald

Its true hidden gem status marketing!!!

DB - if this sort of thing interests you IM Craig Disher - he probably has many pix he could let you see

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« Last Edit: January 31, 2009, 08:45:05 AM by Sean Arble »
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

Adam_Messix

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2009, 08:43:57 AM »
Unfortunately, Uplands is now closed too.  The owners are now trying to sell the property.  Fortunately, the area is not ripe for development like the Havre de Grace, Aberdeen area and the county zoning board may not allow it to be developed for housing anyway.  It may end up returning to farm land.  

You may want to play Mountain Branch and Bulle Rock sooner rather than later given some of the reports that I'm hearing here at the show.  I wish they would use Ruggles as housing and Bulle Rock and/or Mountain Branch for APG's golf.  

My choice would be the Naval Academy unless you can arrange play at BCC.  Annapolis would be incredible if totally restored which wouldn't be that difficult to do but I'm not sure the area can support it.  

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2009, 01:42:18 PM »
Sean,
Got it!  I had no idea so little went into true HGM.  Your one picture was worth a thousand words.
Coming in 2025
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~~Sag Harbor
~~~Chenango Valley
~~~~Sleepy Hollow
~~~~~Montauk Downs
~~~~~~Sunken Meadow
~~~~~~~Some other, posh joints ;)

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2009, 02:09:42 PM »
Definite yes on the Naval Academy course. I got on, no problem, in 2001.

Carl Nichols

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2009, 02:21:03 PM »
Rob:
Is Lake Presidential that good?  I haven't played it yet, but will make more of an effort to do so if it's really terrific.

Mike_Cirba

Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2009, 03:26:34 PM »
Definite yes on the Naval Academy course. I got on, no problem, in 2001.

Pete,

Are there any US Armed Services qualifications necessary to play there?   I thought that was mandatory unless a member's guest?

Thanks!

Chris_Blakely

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2009, 03:50:33 PM »
Naval Academy's golf course is a must if in the area.  As for access, I had not problem around 2003 - told them I was interested in the architect (Collis / Flynn) and that I wanted to take some pictures and that I would pay the typical guess fee.

You could then play the 9 holes Charles Bankes Annapolis (Roads) golf club - also well worth the trip.

If you have connections, you could also play the 9 hole MacDonald / Raynor Gibson Bay GC.

Chris

Jimmy Chandler

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2009, 02:14:43 AM »
Less than 30 minutes from Annapolis is Glenn Dale, public course in PG County.  Fun course, cheap by the area's standards.  Previous threads here:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?board=1%3baction=display%3bthreadid=13885%3bstart=msg236852

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?board=1%3baction=display%3bthreadid=13885%3bstart=msg236852

Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2009, 07:32:25 AM »
Carl - I just published a review on Lake Presidential in VSGA Magizine.  LP is quite good, especially the back nine.  I was quite taken by the property - much more rolling than you would think for a PG county site.  Tee shots are everything from easy to quite taxing.  Greensites well varied with character.  A fair amount of forced carries.  Back nine in dense woods with nature galore.  The place is quite busy so book in advance. 

I also like Oak Creek (I wrote a review for GolfStyles last year on OC) which is right next door.  In great shape and minus a couple of iffy holes, Oak Creek is even better than Lake Pres.

JC 

Mike_Cirba

Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2009, 09:48:51 AM »
Jonathan,

I never did make it down to Oak Creek this past year...we should grab Waldron and play sometime this spring.

Bill Kubly

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2009, 10:16:31 AM »
I was on Renditions recently and they were in great condition late last fall and should be again this spring.  I would sure give it a try....if you want to experience that type of golf.

The Amen Corner holes at Renditions are really quite good, but Replica golf is probably not what GCA is all about.  Also TPC #17 will surely  test your  game. 

If you know anyone that is a member of Caves Valley, you would enjoy this experience as they do allow some sponsored guests.  The course is very good and in great condition.  Their service and commitment to quality is the best anywhere. Caves Valley hosted the US Senior Open in 2002.

Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2009, 10:50:40 AM »
Mike C - I await your springtime call!  I can probably get Tom Clark to play with us if he's in town.  JC

Jim Franklin

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 11:13:12 AM »
Deucie -

Contact me and let me know when you want to play Baltimore CC. Hopefully my schedule will work.
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Rob_Waldron

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2009, 11:58:34 AM »
Jonathan

I did enjoy Oak Creek and will admit it is one of Tom Clark's better efforts however there is really no comparison to Lake Presidential. LP benefits from a better piece of land and a less quirky routing. Oak Creek is also suffering financially due to their refusal to allow outside play (Did you ever hear of the Member for a day concept???). The bent fairways were excellent but what would you expect if carts are forbidden on them? Overall the golf experience at LP is far superior.

I would like to get back to OC this year....if it is still open. Who is footing that bill???

Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Golf in Baltimore/Annapolis New
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2009, 06:31:04 AM »
Rob - we'll just have to agree to disagree.  LP is on an unusually good piece of property for PG county although it is not without its detractions.  Hole #1 (470 yds with double forced carry) is simply too hard a first hole.  In fact, forced carries could well be the theme of LP (there are about ten).  The front nine finishes with a fine 4-5-3 series along the lake.  From the back tees (225 all over water) number nine is one tough hombre.  The inward half at LP is in quite a beautiful setting - densely wooded.  All holes are solid although #15 (450 yds), another double forced carry to a stingy green, may be over the top on the difficult scale.  The routing at 18 is crazy.  If you are walking, you back up the field by having to leave your bag after crossing the road, walk part way around the lake to the tee, tee off, then retrace your steps back to your bag and around the lake to the fairway.  I found LPs greens to be good but not particularly memorable.  The bunkering is clearly patterned after Dye although it's less inspired as compared to the tamest Dye.  The conditioning, when I saw the course, was good.  For a daily fee, the clubhouse was also quite good with a scenic veranda overlooking the lake.

Oak Creek is a more inspired layout.  Architecturally there is much better variety in OC than LP.  This course is a big departure for Clark.  He seems to have jumped on the Hanse, Coore, Doak bunker train as Tom's bunkers at OC have hand cut perimeters, are scruffy and irregular, and placed at unpredictable locations - all adding to complicate your attack and interest in a hole.  OC's green complexes are marvelous - some huge, some tiny, some with intriging interior contours, some ledged, some mounded, some with false fronts... Clark really put thought into these.  You're quite right about the routing.  yet another example of a course totally dictated by the housing.  The road crossing after one and again after eight is unfortunate.  Still, the course explores a diverse piece of property - fields, tobacco barn, ponds on the front and rolling woods on the back.  The 18th hole is the real black mark at OC - blind and completely forced.  It is one of the poorer finishers I have ever seen.

The course needed to grow in when I saw it as the grass on the fairways was thin.

I don't know about the finances of the club.  The clubhouse was on hold when I played there last summer.  I don't think anyone would have any problem playing OC although you may have to endure a real estate pitch.  When I played there there were, literally, just a few dozen members.  I have to believe they are "recruiting".

Let's get Cirba and play it together this summer.

JC   
« Last Edit: February 03, 2009, 06:30:53 PM by Jonathan »