[Thomas MacWood]

How would this list change if you pushed it out to 1917?

Toronto - 1912 Colt

CC of Detroit - 1911 Colt

Detroit GC - 1898 Way, 1912 Barker

Mayfield - 1911 Barker/Way

Oakwood (Cleveland) - 1905 Boggs, 1913 Bendelow

Euclid - 1901 Way, 1906 Way/Borton

Youngstown - 1911 Barker

Chicago GC - 1895 Macdonald/Whigham/Forgan, 1908-10 D.Foulis/Macdonald

Onwentsia - 1896 J.Foulis/R.Foulis, 1898 Whigham/R.Foulis, 1913 Watson

Old Elm - 1913 Colt

Ravisloe - 1902 J.Foulis/R.Foulis, 1910 Watson

Beverly - 1908 G.O'Neil

Skokie - 1904 Bendelow, 1910 Barker

Westmoreland - 1912 Watson

Midlothian - 1898 Tweedie

Glen View - 1897 Tweedie

Homewood (Flossmoor) - 1899 Tweedie, 1910 Watson

Minikahda - 1898 J.Foulis/R.Foulis, 1906 Watson, 1910 Watson

Idlewild - 1909 Naylor

Interlachen - 1910 Watson

Royal Montreal - ? Dunn, 1913 Colt

Kanawaki - 1913 Murray

Royal Ottawa - ? Bendelow

Rosedale - 1895 Bendelow

Lambton - 1902 Cumming

Mississauga - 1905 Cumming

Scarboro - 1913 Cumming

CC of Buffalo - ?

Lake Geneva - 1897 R.Foulis

[Bradley Anderson]

I think it would stay pretty much the same because those courses continued to improve their turf quality standards even while newer golf courses were being built.

Two courses that come to my mind that might bump others of this list would be Scioto and French Lick.

[Steve Lang]

  Now do you want to add Ottawa Park (1899,1908,1916) and Inverness (1915 before Ross)

[RSLivingston_III]

add  (if I understand where you are going)
Kent CC - 1899  E.C. Simmonds

[Thomas MacWood]

Steve
I believe Inverness was only nine at that point. This group is more difficult to breakthrough for Ottawa Park, who designed it by the way. I've removed several courses and I'm considering removing more, most of the Canadian courses will be removed unless someone can give be a better idea what was really good up there in 1917 beyond Toronto, Hamilton and Royal Montreal. Help!

Toronto - 1912 Colt

Hamilton - 1914 Colt

CC of Detroit - 1911 Colt

Detroit GC - 1916 Ross

Oakland Hills (South) - 1917 Ross

Mayfield - 1911 Barker/Way

Oakwood (Cleveland) - 1914 Ross

Shaker Heights - 1914 Ross

Scioto - 1916 Ross

Columbus - 1915 Bendelow

Youngstown - 1911 Barker

Chicago GC - 1895 Macdonald/Whigham/Forgan, 1908-10 D.Foulis/Macdonald

Onwentsia - 1896 J.Foulis/R.Foulis, 1898 Whigham/R.Foulis, 1913 Watson

Old Elm - 1913 Colt

Ravisloe - 1902 J.Foulis/R.Foulis, 1910 Watson

Beverly - 1908 G.O'Neil, 1918 Ross/Collis?

Skokie - 1904 Bendelow, 1910 Barker, 1915 Ross

Bob O'Link - 1916 Ross

Evanston - 1917 Ross

Oak Park - 1916 Ross

Exmoor - 1897 Tweedie, 1914 Ross/Colt

Westmoreland - 1912 Watson

Glen View - 1897 Tweedie, 1914 Colt

Indian Hill - 1913 Colt/Barker, 1914 Ross

Homewood (Flossmoor) - 1899 Tweedie, 1910 Watson

Olympia Fields #1 - 1916 Collis, 1917 Bendelow/Watson

Olympia Fields #2 - 1917 Watson

Olympia Fiels #3 - 1917 Bendelow

French Lick - 1917 Ross

Minikahda - 1898 J.Foulis/R.Foulis, 1906 Watson, 1910 Watson, 1917 Ross

Interlachen - 1910 Watson

White Bear Yacht - 1912 Watson, 1915 Watson/Ross?

Royal Montreal - ? Dunn, 1913 Colt

Kanawaki - 1913 Murray

Royal Ottawa - ? Bendelow

Rosedale - 1895 Bendelow

Lambton - 1902 Cumming

Mississauga - 1905 Cumming

Scarboro - 1913 Cumming

Kahkwa - 1915 Ross

[John Foley]

Here in Upstate New York 1917 had a few of the more prominent courses of the day open. When looking into this I was somewhat surprised how little quality was open at the time.

CC of Buffalo - 1902 by George Cary (?) however Travis is listed as redesign in 1911-1912. Not sure exactly what he did and what is left right now. This is now the Grover Cleveland Municipal

CC of Rochester - 1913 - Ross - Initial 9 at the same site was by Alex Findley - but nothing of it remains.

Bellevue CC (Syracuse) 1914 - Ross

Irondequoit CC (Rochester) 1916 - Ross 9 holes.

The original Oak Hill golf course located on the western side of the city dates from 1902 for the original w/ another 9 added in 1911 - however not sure who designed it.

Some of the more notables and their opening dates:

Onondaga 1918 - Travis
Stafford 1921 - Travis
Yahnundasis 1922 - Travis
Oak Hilll 1923 - Ross
Monroe 1923 - Ross
Tuscarora 1923 - Dunn (how did Ross & Travis let this guy on their turf??)
Troy 1926 - Travis

[Ronald Montesano]

Dunn also did Cazenovia Park in south Buffalo.  Once and always a muni, I believe.  Interesting layout, cramped, nine holes, shabby shape, beloved and protected by members and regulars.

[Peter Pallotta]

Tom -

some of the other posters here from Canada will likely know much more about this than I do, but fwiw you don't seem to have the Herbert Strong designed Lakeview on your list. Now owned by the City of Mississauga, here's the background blurb from the website:

"...Forced to move by a rapidly growing city, the club relocated to its present site in the spring of 1907, and in January 1912 the Directors changed the name to The Lakeview Golf and Country Club Limited. For the next two decades Lakeview enjoyed a place at the top of Canada's golfing community. Lakeview twice hosted Canada's national tournament The Canadian Open -- in 1923, won by C.W. Hackney, and in 1934, won by Tommy Armour.  [George Cumming won the 1914 - C.P.G.A. Championship there]....

Architect - Herbert Strong
Par 71 - 6340 yards"

Peter

I think I read that Tommy Armour won with a 287.

 

[Thomas MacWood]

Peter
Herbert Strong designed his version of Lakeview in 1921. I don't know much about the original course, in fact I didn't even know there was an older course.

[Peter Pallotta]

Tom

yes, there's something interesting there. Other sources mention 1920/21 as the date of Strong's Lakeview design, and its website doesn't tie Strong to the opening of the course in 1907 (or even, assuming that only the 'club' was formed in 1907, and that a golf course came later, to ANY date at all). But the website does mention that the Canadian PGA was contested there -- I think for the first time -- in 1914, which means that an 18 hole layout already existed there on the site, and (presumably) a decent one. But the site is pretty flat and not very big, so it's hard for me to imagine that Strong's work was a major "re-design" of a preexisting course, and no sources mention that possibility at any rate.  In short I guess what I'm asking is who designed the course that was played on between 1914-1920, and why no mention of him. I've played Lakeview many times - widish fairways, small but tricky greens, very easy walk.  The website mentions a major fire in the mid 30s that destroyed the clubhouse - maybe all the records were lost.

Peter

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