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Bruce Leland

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillingahst)
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2008, 10:16:29 PM »
.... Obviously, home-course bias and nostalgia are factors in my assessment, but after almost 50 years of golf, Northland still holds up as one of the best and most unique courses I've ever played.

Northland is loads of fun and requires great imagination. I can't think of a better way to compliment a golf course.
Rick, I couldn't agree more with your assessment of Northland's unique nature.  The course tests all aspects of your game.  The green complexes are perhaps the most perplexing I've ever played and illusion abounds. 

Having played numerous rounds at both Northland CC and Rochester Golf & CC, I hold Northland in higher regard although both are very fair tests.  It's difficult to imagine RGCC without the 40' high rough (50,000 pine trees) that were added under Dr. Sheldon's watch.  If Minnesota is on your travel schedule, I would highly recommend playing both and throw in White Bear Yacht Club for good measure.
"The mystique of Muirfield lingers on. So does the memory of Carnoustie's foreboding. So does the scenic wonder of Turnberry and the haunting incredibility of Prestwick, and the pleasant deception of Troon. But put them altogether and St. Andrew's can play their low ball for atmosphere." Dan Jenkins

Chris Tritabaugh

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillingahst)
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2008, 09:59:36 PM »
I read this site just about every day in the winter but as our season has gotten going I have slipped.  Imagine the surprise when I stubbled upon a thread on Northland Country Club.  I have been the Superintendent at Northland for 18 months.  Being biased, I won't weigh in on which course I prefer. ;)  In my opinion everything that has been said about Northland is correct.  The green are incredible and require a great deal of imagination.  Most people would have a difficult time coming up with a weak hole and there are a good half dozen that require every bit of game a person has in their bag.  The course is obviously memorable for those who have played it because of the setting and Lake Superior.  However, take the lake away and you still have one hell of a golf course. 

As a long time Ross fan it was really a dream come true for me to get the GCS position at Northland.  From the day I first set foot on the property I knew we had to dry it out and firm it up. The design favors the ground game and as Rick said certain holes require it if you hope to get close to the hole.  This was a real success last year with the course playing beautifully.  The bunkers, which were redone in the late 90's are not really Rossish, as I believe Jeff Bauer said.  From a turfgrass management standpoint the course is very challenging.  During wet periods there is a massive amount of seepage off the bluffs that can leave parts of the course very wet long after the rains have stopped.  The clay soils are heavy and are typically too wet or too dry and the whole place is covered by a layer of thatch from years of over-watering and over-fertilizing.  And in some places the underlying ledge rock is 2 inches below the surface.  These are all challenges we are on top of and working hard to or having success correcting.

It is wonderful to see Northland get some time on this site.  I am very proud to be able to care for the golf course and on design alone it really deserves to be considered amongst the best.       
« Last Edit: June 03, 2008, 09:01:59 AM by Chris Tritabaugh »

Jim Franklin

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillinghast)
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 08:20:21 AM »
I am a huge Tillinghast fan, but I loved Northland. It was a place I never even considered playing and thought it was terrific after playing it. It was my surprise golf course to date. I went in with zero expectations and had a blast. Very fun course.
Mr Hurricane

Phil McDade

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillingahst)
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2008, 08:35:13 AM »
I read this site just about every day in the winter but as our season has gotten going I have slipped.  Imagine the surprise when I stubbled upon a thread on Northland Country Club.  I have been the Superintendent at Northland for 18 months.  Being biased, I won't weigh in on which course I prefer. ;)  In my opinion everything that has been said about Northland is correct.  The green are incredible and require a great deal of imagination.  Most people would have a difficult time coming up with a weak hole and there are a good half dozen that require every bit of game a person has in their bag.  The course is obviously memorable for those who have played it because of the setting and Lake Superior.  However, take the lake away and you still have one hell of a golf course. 

As a long time Ross fan it was really a dream come true for me to get the GCS position at Northland.  From the day I first set foot on the property I knew we had to dry it out and firm it up. The design favors the ground game and as Rick said certain holes require it if you hope to get close to the hole.  This was a real success last year with the course playing beautifully.  The bunkers, which were redone in the late 90's are not really Rossish, as I believe Jeff Bauer said.  From a turfgrass management standpoint the course is very challenging.  During wet periods there is a massive amount of seepage off the bluffs that can leave parts of the course very wet long after the rains have stopped.  The clay soils are heavy and are typically too wet or too dry and the whole place is covered by a layer of thatch from years of over-watering and over-fertilizing.  And in some places the underlying ledge rock is 2 inches below the surface.  These are all challenges we are on top of and working hard to or having success correcting.

It is wonderful to see Northland get some time on this site.  I am very proud to be able to care for the golf course and on design along it really deserves to be considered amongst the best.       

Chris:

Thanks for the informative post; I think the discussion board regulars really do appreciate when people in your position overseeing great courses weigh in on your experiences and thoughts on things like maintenance practices. So thanks again for that. Would love to see some pictures of the fast/firm conditions and how they play into the course design/terrain, if you have them and the time to post!

Chris Tritabaugh

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillinghast)
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2008, 09:38:41 PM »
I was out and took a bunch of pictures today.  I tried to take pictures consistent with what guys have taken of other courses.  Heading down to St. Paul to play Somerset Country Club, a great Seth Raynor design, tomorrow.  I will work on getting the photos posted in the next couple of days. 
Sorry, I do not have pictures of last years fast and firm (meaning brown) conditions.  It is one of my biggest regrets that I did not take more pictures of the course in the middle of the summer last year. 

Jim Franklin

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillinghast)
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2008, 09:55:04 AM »
Chris -

I played Northland last August and thought the brown conditions were awesome. I wish we had met when I was there as I would have told you to keep up the great work. It is a true gem.
Mr Hurricane

Chris Tritabaugh

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillinghast)
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2008, 08:32:49 PM »
Sorry guys I am not having any luck getting the pictures posted.  File was too big then after reducing the file size the post button was unresponsive.

Anyone care to give me some pic posting tips?

Patrick Hodgdon

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillinghast)
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2008, 11:26:01 PM »
Sorry guys I am not having any luck getting the pictures posted.  File was too big then after reducing the file size the post button was unresponsive.

Anyone care to give me some pic posting tips?

Photobuket or shutterfly work great. PM me if you need further instructions.
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Chris Tritabaugh

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillinghast)
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2008, 12:34:20 PM »
Here is my abbreviated photo tour of Northland Country Club.  Now that I have become familiar with the photo posting method I will continue to add to this tour.

Tee shot on the 380 yard 3rd hole.  Plays up hill 95 feet but doesn't look like it!  The hole originally played from a tee 25 yards further left but was moved over to accommodate a new practice range.  The left side of this fairway was built up in the same renovation project.  The members say this used to be the hardest hole on the course but now plays much easier.

The second shot on the 490 yard par 4 4th hole.  The hole is not difficult until you get to the green where some diabolical back left to front right slope protects the hole.  Apparently one of the few greens on the course, which is not original Ross.

The left and longer tee on the par three 5th hole.  Plays 167 from the back and can be anywhere from a 9 iron to a 3 iron depending on the wind.  Also plays up hill about 20 feet.

The same hole from the shorter right tee box.  Plays about 115-130 yards from this tee.  The original green used to have finger extending to the front left and back right.

Tee shot at the 360 yard 6th hole.  Originally the hole played from a tee about 15-20 further right, which created more of a dogleg right.  This is a classic Ross design with the fairway requiring a fade and the green more accepting of a draw.

The approach to the 6th hole.  This is a very severe green with slope from the back left to front right.

Tee shot in the 436 yard 7th.  The fairway originally extended 20-30 further left on this hole.  This is the #1 handicap hole.

The approach to the 7th.  Front left of this green is a nice false front.  While appearing fairly flat, this green is once again quite severe.

230 par 3 8th.  A very difficult hole on any day but its a real bear when the wind blows into you from the east, which it does just about every day until June 15th.

The 2nd shot on the 569 yard 9th hole.  This is the longest hole on the course and the only hole without a view of Lake Superior.  Fairway used to be audaciously wide, which offered proper angles of approach to a green that really requires it.  That width has been lost near the green and makes using the proper angles from the fairway difficult.  This is another green, which judging by the absence of an identifiable fill pad may not be original Ross but that is a guess.

The tee shot on the 380 yard 10th.  This might be the strongest hole on the course and it plays much longer than its yardage.  Strangely, the 3rd hole plays further up hill but doesn't look it or play it.  Most people say the 10th plays much longer and tougher than the 3rd hole.

The approach to the 10th.  Original design featured a bunker in place of the oak tree on the right.  Just a great golf hole.  The favorite hole on the course for many members.

The 204 yard 12th hole.  Not generally thought of as a difficult hole but in the recent MN State Match-Play Championship it played as the 3rd or 4th most difficult hole with only 3 birdies during the 64 player match-play tournament.  Big left to right slope on this green.

410 yard 13th.  This hole begins your trip back towards Lake Superior.  Most golfers, members and guest alike really feel a sense of anticipation as they come to this hole.  The views on the next four holes are as good as it gets.  But it is not just the view.  This begins a 4-4-4-4-3-4 finishing stretch of very strong golf holes. 

The approach to the 13th.  Probably the most spectacular approach on the course and easily the flattest green on the course.

The approach to the 446 yard par 4 14th.  This is the most brilliant green I have ever seen.  Difficult to see in this photo but there are knobs on the back right and back left with a swale running through the center of the back 2/3's of the green.  I have heard members say this is not an original Ross green but I would have a tough time believing it.  The contours are too brilliant for anyone else to have messed with this green.  You would not know it from this picture but putts from the flagstick towards the left of the green are very fast going towards the Lake.

This picture shows the 14th green from the right side of the approach.  From this angle you get a better idea of the contours at the back of the green.  Still hard to believe from this photo how putts race to the left side of this green. 

The 446 yard 16th.  Another very strong down hill par 4 with great views of Lake Superior.  All of the fairways have narrowed over the years but it affects more holes than others.  This is one hole it affects a lot.  Old lines of play are now severely limited. 

Enjoy! 
        
« Last Edit: July 20, 2008, 01:37:22 PM by Chris Tritabaugh »

Chris Tritabaugh

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillinghast)
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2008, 01:15:34 PM »
Just bumping this thread.  I reorganized my photos in photobucket and the photos were unavailable for most of the life of this post.  Here they are now.

Bruce Leland

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Re: Northland (Ross) and Rochester(Tillinghast)
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2008, 09:40:10 PM »
Thanks for the update Chris.  Anyone who has had the pleasure of playing Northland can attest to the slope and contours of the greens.  Much like television and Augusta National, you have to be there to appreciate the slope and severity of the green complexes. 

I've said it before, Northland has the most perplexing putting surfaces I've ever played.  I have yet to experience another course where one has more 3 and 4 foot putts that are outside the hole.  Brilliant greens and a treat to play.
"The mystique of Muirfield lingers on. So does the memory of Carnoustie's foreboding. So does the scenic wonder of Turnberry and the haunting incredibility of Prestwick, and the pleasant deception of Troon. But put them altogether and St. Andrew's can play their low ball for atmosphere." Dan Jenkins

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