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Bill Brightly

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Architects: A photo tour New
« on: June 23, 2008, 04:00:33 PM »
This course has probably been discussed here many times, but I played it last Friday and here are my pictures. Putting aside how true to the originals these holes are, I think it is really good golf course in excellent condition. Well worth a visit!

Hole 1 Old Tom Morris (nice sod bunker imitation)


Hole 2 C.B. Macdonald




Hole 4 Devereux Emmet (post corrected)


Hole 5 Walter Travis



Hole 5 green



Hole 6 Colt and Alison (downhill par 3)


Hole 7 Tillinghast 2nd shot to green


Hole 8 Raynor (uphill par 3 to two-tiered green)




Hole 9 Ross


Hole 10 (from 9th fairway) George Thomas, Jr.


Hole 11 Flynn (Uphill par 5 that sweeps down to the right after tee shot)


Hole 12 Banks


Hole 13 Mackenzie (modeld after Augusta's 13th)






Hole 15 Ross (2nd shot to green)


My partner hit into the grass face (I made 6 foot birdie!)


Hole 16 Wilson





Hole 17 Stanley Thompson


Hole 18 RT Jones



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Matt Kardash

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Re: Architects: A photo tour
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 04:18:26 PM »
In general it looks fairly well done. The Thompson hole is jarring though. It looks less like a Thompson hole and more like a hole Graham Cooke would have built about 10 years ago.  ???
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Dale_McCallon

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Re: Architects: A photo tour
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 04:46:03 PM »
Should the Wilson tee have a disclaimer on it?

"This hole represents what Wilson would have built if he really ever built a hole."

JimFatsi

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Re: Architects: A photo tour
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 09:34:25 PM »
thanks for the pictures.

Is hole 17 a par 3, looks like bethpae #17, par 3

Kyle Harris

Re: Architects: A photo tour
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 09:36:22 PM »
I'm glad to see the course is still well-maintained. The Macdonald hole is a favorite.

A note, however, the 4th hole is actually the Dev Emmet hole, with the Travis being the 5th.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Architects: A photo tour
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2008, 09:48:01 PM »
Bill, I'd ask the question; if in your opinion and understanding of the average GCA.com poster, if we would be hypercritical to the extent of nit-picking which could detract from the enjoyment of the round of golf there, or do you think most of us hypercritical fanatics could actually let it go and enjoy it for what it seems to be, a tribute and rough approximation of various archie's styles, and perhaps good golf on its own regardless of who is being hailed on each hole?
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Kyle Harris

Re: Architects: A photo tour
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2008, 10:00:27 PM »
Bill, I'd ask the question; if in your opinion and understanding of the average GCA.com poster, if we would be hypercritical to the extent of nit-picking which could detract from the enjoyment of the round of golf there, or do you think most of us hypercritical fanatics could actually let it go and enjoy it for what it seems to be, a tribute and rough approximation of various archie's styles, and perhaps good golf on its own regardless of who is being hailed on each hole?

Dick,

I thoroughly enjoy my rounds there, and I think some of the nit-picking is part of the enjoyment. For example, I don't think the Thomas hole comes close to approximating the mental challenge of the 10th at Riviera, but it's still a good hole.

I've heard some people criticize the Raynor and Banks holes, but again, both are good.

I absolutely despise the Mackenzie hole, right up to the astroturf covered fake rock bridges.

I'd go back in a heartbeat though. The good is just that good.

Jay Cox

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Re: Architects: A photo tour
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2008, 10:28:25 PM »
The 8th isn't an Eden hole, is it?  If not, how do we end up with the Raynor hole being a non-template par 3?  Just from the picture, that hole certainly doesn't look like a Redan, or a Biarritz, or a Short.

Bill Brightly

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Re: Architects: A photo tour
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2008, 06:23:58 AM »
The 8th does not fit into any of the template categories, IMO. There is no Strath bunker, so it is not an Eden. If you look at the right-to-left slope of the terrain, I think they missed the chance to built a great Redan. The green does have two distinct tiers, a Raynor feature, but thats about it.

I think the Banks hole (#12) was the most disappointing. It is a fine par 3 but I'm not sure what template it is suppossed to be. I belong to a Banks course and I am a huge MacRaynor fan. I guess #12 was their attempt at a Redan but there is no kick mound. Nae kickmound, nae Redan!

As to RJ's question, I'd say most CGA posters would really enjoy the round of golf. From a golfing perspective, it is a very demanding course. You are rewarded for thoughtful, accurate play but severly punished for over-aggressive misses. For example, the par 4 10th is a beautiful short par 4 designed to give you 3 choices: play short of the bunker complex and have a full iron to the green, hit driver left of the complex to a narrowing fairway, or fly the bunkers for a flip wedge.  I hit 3-wood short and had 9 iron left with a clear view of the green. My opponent tried to fly the bunkers and made a double. My partner hit a very accurate driver left of the traps but had to hit a wedge over a greenside bunker to a front pin. He hit it very well, but it caught the downslope over the trap, kicked over the green, leaving a tricky downhill chip which he failed to get up and down and he made a highly annoying bogey.

There are many other examples where if you simply play the way the hole was designed, the holes are fairly simple to play, and the big numbers come in when you try to overpower the hole. And I would venture to say that the great architects would approve of this.

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