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Jeff Spittel

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2008, 09:35:51 AM »
Wilshire CC in Los Angeles is one of my favorites.
Olde York Country Club in NJ I think is a really nice hidden less known gem.
also really like Suburban Country Club in Union NJ.

I will second David's Suburban Golf Club nomination. Great little AWT design, but I'm biased since it's my former home course.   
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Doug Wright

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2008, 10:08:20 AM »
This is a list compiled about six years ago by some from this site.

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GCA Reader-Certified HIDDEN GEMS
   with help from…   www.golfcourse.com   
               
Course   City   State   Vintage   Architect   Nominated by
               
Barona Creek   Lakeside   CA   2001   Todd Eckinrode   Slag Bandoon
Del Rio CC   Brawley   CA   1926   William Bell   Gib Papazian
Gleneagles Int'l   San Francisco   CA   1962   John Fleming   Peter Galea
Stevinson Ranch   Stevinson   CA   1995   John Harbottle   Gib Papazian
               
Fenwick GC   Old Saybrook   CT   1890s   unknown   Anthony Pioppi
               
Grandote Peaks GC   La Veta    CO   1984   Weiskopf & Morrish   Doug Wright
               
Deerfield GC   Newark    DE   -   -   Scott Burroughs
               
DPC - Clermont   Clermont   FL   1999   Terry LaGree   Derek Duncan
the Dunes at Seville   Brooksville   FL   1988   Arthur Hills   Conley
Hidden Creek   Navarre   FL   1988   Ron Garl   John Bernhardt
Sara Bay   Sarasota   FL   1925   Donald Ross   Nick Ficorelli
               
Athens CC   Athens    GA   1926   Donald Ross   Mike Young
Cateechee   Hartwell    GA   1997   Mike Young   Mike Young
               
Bass Rocks GC   Gloucester   MA   1896   Herbert Leeds   "Cup Cutter"
Chequessett Yacht   Wellfleet   MA   1929   -   "Cup Cutter"
Cohasse CC   Southbridge    MA   1916   Donald Ross   Anthony Pioppi
Cranwell Resort   Lenox   MA   1926   Stiles & Van Kleek   Gary Sherman
Eastward Ho!   Chatham   MA   1921   Herbert Fowler   Curt Madson
Highland Golf Links   N. Truro   MA   1892   -   "Cup Cutter"
Hotchkiss School GC   Lakeville   MA   1925   Raynor & Banks   Anthony Pioppi
Hyannisport   Hyannis Port   MA   1901   Alex Findlay   Paul Perrella
Longmeadow   Longmeadow   MA   1922   Donald Ross   Paul Chiampa
Marion Golf Course   Marion    MA   1904   George Thomas   Anthony Pioppi
Marshfield   Marshfield   MA   1922   Wayne Stiles   Gary Sherman
Plymouth CC   Plymouth   MA   1901   Donald Ross   "Cup Cutter"
Winchester   Winchester   MA   1902   Donald Ross   Gary Sherman
Woods Hole   Falmouth   MA   1899   Stiles & Van Kleek   Rich Goodale
               
Worthington Manor   Urbana   MD   1998   Ault, Clark   J.S. Pulliam
               
Prouts Neck CC   Scarborough   ME   1924   Wayne Stiles   Gary Sherman
               
Belvedere   Charlevoix   MI   1927   Willie Watson   Doug Sobieski
               
Cloquet CC   Cloquet   MN   -   -   Conley
Double Eagle   Eagle Bend    MN   1983   Joel Goldstrand   Conley
Fox Hollow   Rogers   MN   1989   Joel Goldstrand   Conley
Golden Valley CC   Golden Valley   MN   1926   Tillinghast   Conley
Minneapolis Golf Club   St. Louis Park   MN   1916   Bendelow/Willie Park   Conley
Owatonna CC   Owatonna   MN   1973   Goldstrand/Pirkl   Conley
Winona CC   Winona   MN   1920   Ben Knight   Conley
               
Biltmore Forest   Asheville   NC   1925   Donald Ross   Adam Messix
Highlands CC   Highlands   NC   1926   Donald Ross   Adam Messix
Hyland Hills CC   Southern Pines   NC   1965   Tom Jackson   Hart Huffines
Keith Hills   Buies Creek   NC   1976   Ellis Maples   Hart Huffines
Nags Head   Nags Head    NC   1987   Jerry Turner   Paul Perrella
New Bern G & CC   New Bern   NC   1920   Donald Ross   Hart Huffines
Old Town Club   Winston-Salem   NC   1937   Perry Maxwell   Adam Messix
Pennrose Park   Reidsville   NC   1929   Donald Ross   Hart Huffines
Pinecrest CC   Lumberton    NC   1953   Donald Ross   Andrew Bernstein
Roaring Gap   Roaring Gap   NC   1926   Donald Ross   Adam Messix
the Cardinal CC   Greensboro   NC   1973   Pete Dye   Hart Huffines
               
Hooper GC   Walpole   NH   -   Stiles & Van Kleek   Anthony Pioppi
Kingswood GC   Wolfeboro   NH   1926   Donald Ross   Russell Eaves
               
Forsgate CC   Jamesburg   NJ   1931   Charles Banks   Matt Ward
Knoll   Boonton   NJ   -   Charles Banks   Dave Marr
               
Bethpage (Red)   Farmingdale   NY   1935   Tillinghast   Patrick Hitt
Bristol Harbour   Canandaigua   NY   1972   Rob't Trent Jones   John F
CC of Rochester   Rochester   NY   1895   Donald Ross   Paul Perrella
Hiawatha Landing   Apalachin   NY   1993   Brian Silva   John F
Leatherstocking   Cooperstown   NY   1909   Dev Emmet    Paul Perrella
Mark Twain GC   Elmira   NY   1939   Donald Ross   Mike Cirba
Monroe GC   Pittsford   NY   1923   Donald Ross   Patrick Hitt
Montauk Downs   Montauk   NY   1968   Rob't Trent Jones   Paul Perrella
Rip Van Winkle CC   Palenville   NY   1928   Donald Ross   Peter Galea
Saranac Inn   Saranac Lake   NY   1905   Seymour&Willie Dunn   Paul Perrella
Soaring Eagles GC   Horseheads   NY   1963   Pete Craig   Mike Cirba
Spook Rock   Suffern   NY   1970   Frank Duane   Paul Perrella
Teugega CC   Rome   NY   1919   Donald Ross   Steve Wilson
Yahnundasis   New Hartford    NY   1897   Walter Travis   Paul Perrella
               
Champions GC   Columbus   OH   1948   Rob't Trent Jones   Tom MacWood
Congress Lake   Hartville    OH   1896   Park/Ross   Tom MacWood
Kirtland   Willoughby   OH   1921   Colt & Alison   Tom MacWood
Sleepy Hollow   Brecksville   OH   1923   Stanley Thompson   Tom MacWood
               
Eagle Point   Medford    OR   1996   RTJ Jr.   Gib Papazian
Gearhart Golf Links   Gearhart   OR   1913   -   Slag Bandoon
               
Blueberry Hill   Russell   PA   1961   Harrison & Garbin   Doug Wright
Galen Hall   Wernersville   PA   1910   Alex Findlay/Tillie   Mike Cirba
Immergrun   Loretto   PA   1917   Dev Emmet & Ross?   Craig Rokke
Lehigh   Allentown   PA   1928   William Flynn   Mark Fine
Lu Lu   North Hills   PA   1917   Donald Ross   
New Castle CC   New Castle   PA   1923   Tillinghast   Dave Seanor
               
Metacomet    E. Providence    RI   1908   Donald Ross   Geoffery Childs
Misquamicut   Watch Hill   RI   1895   Willie Anderson   Tom Paul
               
Tierra Verde   Arlington    TX   -   Graham/Panks   Lou Duran
Whispering Pines   Trinity    TX   -   Nicklaus Group   Dave Wigler
               
Belmont GC   Richmond   VA   1938   Tillinghast   Patrick Hitt
               
Ekwanok   Manchester    VT   1899   Walter Travis   Paul Perrella
               
Husum Hills   White Salmon   WA   1958   -   Slag Bandoon
               
Brown County   Oneida   WI   1966   Larry Packard   RJ Daley
Bull's Eye   Wisconsin Rapids   WI   1927   Leonard Macomber   RJ Daley
Chaska GC   Appleton   WI   1975   Larry Packard   RJ Daley
Eau Claire CC   Eau Claire    WI   1901?   -   Conley
Moscoutin   Berlin   WI   1998   Rick Jacobson   RJ Daley
NAGA-waukee GC   Pewaukee    WI   1966   Larry Packard   Taylor Anderson
North Shore   Menasha   WI   1930   -   RJ Daley
Stevens Point   Stevens Point   WI   1962   Larry Roberts   John Reichert


Thanks John. My MO with this thread was to get information to update this list.
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Chris_Clouser

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2008, 10:22:44 AM »
Bart and Andy,

I'm surprised neither of you mentioned Bear Slide in Cicero, IN.  Whenever someone asks me now where they should play in Indy, I always give them the top choices (Brickyard, Fort, Purgatory,etc.).  But I always throw in Bear Slide as the hidden gem of the area. 

Another one that has not received much attention in the state yet is Champions Pointe.  If I ever get off of my lazy butt and post a write-up about it you will see why.  Very nice course in southern Indiana. 

For national guys Bear Slide would be a good hidden gem, for locals I would recommend Royal Hylands.  Very fun greens and a few really neat holes.  Not in the same category as the other courses I've mentioned so far though. 

Sean_A

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2008, 10:23:27 AM »
This is a list compiled about six years ago by some from this site.

--

GCA Reader-Certified HIDDEN GEMS
   with help from…   www.golfcourse.com   
               
Course   City   State   Vintage   Architect   Nominated by
               
Barona Creek   Lakeside   CA   2001   Todd Eckinrode   Slag Bandoon
Del Rio CC   Brawley   CA   1926   William Bell   Gib Papazian
Gleneagles Int'l   San Francisco   CA   1962   John Fleming   Peter Galea
Stevinson Ranch   Stevinson   CA   1995   John Harbottle   Gib Papazian
               
Fenwick GC   Old Saybrook   CT   1890s   unknown   Anthony Pioppi
               
Grandote Peaks GC   La Veta    CO   1984   Weiskopf & Morrish   Doug Wright
               
Deerfield GC   Newark    DE   -   -   Scott Burroughs
               
DPC - Clermont   Clermont   FL   1999   Terry LaGree   Derek Duncan
the Dunes at Seville   Brooksville   FL   1988   Arthur Hills   Conley
Hidden Creek   Navarre   FL   1988   Ron Garl   John Bernhardt
Sara Bay   Sarasota   FL   1925   Donald Ross   Nick Ficorelli
               
Athens CC   Athens    GA   1926   Donald Ross   Mike Young
Cateechee   Hartwell    GA   1997   Mike Young   Mike Young
               
Bass Rocks GC   Gloucester   MA   1896   Herbert Leeds   "Cup Cutter"
Chequessett Yacht   Wellfleet   MA   1929   -   "Cup Cutter"
Cohasse CC   Southbridge    MA   1916   Donald Ross   Anthony Pioppi
Cranwell Resort   Lenox   MA   1926   Stiles & Van Kleek   Gary Sherman
Eastward Ho!   Chatham   MA   1921   Herbert Fowler   Curt Madson
Highland Golf Links   N. Truro   MA   1892   -   "Cup Cutter"
Hotchkiss School GC   Lakeville   MA   1925   Raynor & Banks   Anthony Pioppi
Hyannisport   Hyannis Port   MA   1901   Alex Findlay   Paul Perrella
Longmeadow   Longmeadow   MA   1922   Donald Ross   Paul Chiampa
Marion Golf Course   Marion    MA   1904   George Thomas   Anthony Pioppi
Marshfield   Marshfield   MA   1922   Wayne Stiles   Gary Sherman
Plymouth CC   Plymouth   MA   1901   Donald Ross   "Cup Cutter"
Winchester   Winchester   MA   1902   Donald Ross   Gary Sherman
Woods Hole   Falmouth   MA   1899   Stiles & Van Kleek   Rich Goodale
               
Worthington Manor   Urbana   MD   1998   Ault, Clark   J.S. Pulliam
               
Prouts Neck CC   Scarborough   ME   1924   Wayne Stiles   Gary Sherman
               
Belvedere   Charlevoix   MI   1927   Willie Watson   Doug Sobieski
               
Cloquet CC   Cloquet   MN   -   -   Conley
Double Eagle   Eagle Bend    MN   1983   Joel Goldstrand   Conley
Fox Hollow   Rogers   MN   1989   Joel Goldstrand   Conley
Golden Valley CC   Golden Valley   MN   1926   Tillinghast   Conley
Minneapolis Golf Club   St. Louis Park   MN   1916   Bendelow/Willie Park   Conley
Owatonna CC   Owatonna   MN   1973   Goldstrand/Pirkl   Conley
Winona CC   Winona   MN   1920   Ben Knight   Conley
               
Biltmore Forest   Asheville   NC   1925   Donald Ross   Adam Messix
Highlands CC   Highlands   NC   1926   Donald Ross   Adam Messix
Hyland Hills CC   Southern Pines   NC   1965   Tom Jackson   Hart Huffines
Keith Hills   Buies Creek   NC   1976   Ellis Maples   Hart Huffines
Nags Head   Nags Head    NC   1987   Jerry Turner   Paul Perrella
New Bern G & CC   New Bern   NC   1920   Donald Ross   Hart Huffines
Old Town Club   Winston-Salem   NC   1937   Perry Maxwell   Adam Messix
Pennrose Park   Reidsville   NC   1929   Donald Ross   Hart Huffines
Pinecrest CC   Lumberton    NC   1953   Donald Ross   Andrew Bernstein
Roaring Gap   Roaring Gap   NC   1926   Donald Ross   Adam Messix
the Cardinal CC   Greensboro   NC   1973   Pete Dye   Hart Huffines
               
Hooper GC   Walpole   NH   -   Stiles & Van Kleek   Anthony Pioppi
Kingswood GC   Wolfeboro   NH   1926   Donald Ross   Russell Eaves
               
Forsgate CC   Jamesburg   NJ   1931   Charles Banks   Matt Ward
Knoll   Boonton   NJ   -   Charles Banks   Dave Marr
               
Bethpage (Red)   Farmingdale   NY   1935   Tillinghast   Patrick Hitt
Bristol Harbour   Canandaigua   NY   1972   Rob't Trent Jones   John F
CC of Rochester   Rochester   NY   1895   Donald Ross   Paul Perrella
Hiawatha Landing   Apalachin   NY   1993   Brian Silva   John F
Leatherstocking   Cooperstown   NY   1909   Dev Emmet    Paul Perrella
Mark Twain GC   Elmira   NY   1939   Donald Ross   Mike Cirba
Monroe GC   Pittsford   NY   1923   Donald Ross   Patrick Hitt
Montauk Downs   Montauk   NY   1968   Rob't Trent Jones   Paul Perrella
Rip Van Winkle CC   Palenville   NY   1928   Donald Ross   Peter Galea
Saranac Inn   Saranac Lake   NY   1905   Seymour&Willie Dunn   Paul Perrella
Soaring Eagles GC   Horseheads   NY   1963   Pete Craig   Mike Cirba
Spook Rock   Suffern   NY   1970   Frank Duane   Paul Perrella
Teugega CC   Rome   NY   1919   Donald Ross   Steve Wilson
Yahnundasis   New Hartford    NY   1897   Walter Travis   Paul Perrella
               
Champions GC   Columbus   OH   1948   Rob't Trent Jones   Tom MacWood
Congress Lake   Hartville    OH   1896   Park/Ross   Tom MacWood
Kirtland   Willoughby   OH   1921   Colt & Alison   Tom MacWood
Sleepy Hollow   Brecksville   OH   1923   Stanley Thompson   Tom MacWood
               
Eagle Point   Medford    OR   1996   RTJ Jr.   Gib Papazian
Gearhart Golf Links   Gearhart   OR   1913   -   Slag Bandoon
               
Blueberry Hill   Russell   PA   1961   Harrison & Garbin   Doug Wright
Galen Hall   Wernersville   PA   1910   Alex Findlay/Tillie   Mike Cirba
Immergrun   Loretto   PA   1917   Dev Emmet & Ross?   Craig Rokke
Lehigh   Allentown   PA   1928   William Flynn   Mark Fine
Lu Lu   North Hills   PA   1917   Donald Ross   
New Castle CC   New Castle   PA   1923   Tillinghast   Dave Seanor
               
Metacomet    E. Providence    RI   1908   Donald Ross   Geoffery Childs
Misquamicut   Watch Hill   RI   1895   Willie Anderson   Tom Paul
               
Tierra Verde   Arlington    TX   -   Graham/Panks   Lou Duran
Whispering Pines   Trinity    TX   -   Nicklaus Group   Dave Wigler
               
Belmont GC   Richmond   VA   1938   Tillinghast   Patrick Hitt
               
Ekwanok   Manchester    VT   1899   Walter Travis   Paul Perrella
               
Husum Hills   White Salmon   WA   1958   -   Slag Bandoon
               
Brown County   Oneida   WI   1966   Larry Packard   RJ Daley
Bull's Eye   Wisconsin Rapids   WI   1927   Leonard Macomber   RJ Daley
Chaska GC   Appleton   WI   1975   Larry Packard   RJ Daley
Eau Claire CC   Eau Claire    WI   1901?   -   Conley
Moscoutin   Berlin   WI   1998   Rick Jacobson   RJ Daley
NAGA-waukee GC   Pewaukee    WI   1966   Larry Packard   Taylor Anderson
North Shore   Menasha   WI   1930   -   RJ Daley
Stevens Point   Stevens Point   WI   1962   Larry Roberts   John Reichert


Thanks John. My MO with this thread was to get information to update this list.

Some of these courses are real stretch as to HGs.

LuLu?
Lehigh?
Ekwanok?
Foresgate?
Knoll?
Roaring Gap?
Old Town?
Bethpage Red?
Belvedere?
Eastward Ho!

These are courses I have played, think are fairly famous/well known or are ranked in some mag or other.

Ciao
New plays planned for 2024: Fraserburgh, Ashridge, Kennemer, de Pan, Eindhoven, Hilversumche, Royal Ostend, Alnmouth & Cruden Bay St Olaf

Doug Wright

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2008, 10:30:19 AM »
"Some of these courses are real stretch as to HGs.

LuLu?
Lehigh?
Ekwanok?
Foresgate?
Knoll?
Roaring Gap?
Old Town?
Bethpage Red?
Belvedere?
Eastward Ho!

These are courses I have played, think are fairly famous/well known or are ranked in some mag or other."

Sean,

Agreed. Also some like Barona have become more well known over the past 6 years. If/when I recompile and update this list some editorial discretion will be exercised and some of these may well be excised...

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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2008, 10:52:04 AM »
"Some of these courses are real stretch as to HGs.

LuLu?
Lehigh?
Ekwanok?
Foresgate?
Knoll?
Roaring Gap?
Old Town?
Bethpage Red?
Belvedere?
Eastward Ho!

These are courses I have played, think are fairly famous/well known or are ranked in some mag or other."

Sean,

Agreed. Also some like Barona have become more well known over the past 6 years. If/when I recompile and update this list some editorial discretion will be exercised and some of these may well be excised...



Doug,

I thought you'd been around long enough to remember that this original HG list was compiled in mid-2001, when these courses were HG's, even on GCA.  It was discussion in the early years here that made 'discoveries' of these courses, some now ranked as Eastward Ho!, Lehigh, and Old Town are, and Barona was.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2008, 11:06:07 AM by Scott_Burroughs »

Doug Ralston

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2008, 10:56:21 AM »

Twisted Gun.  Really does not look that dissimilar to the pictures posted of Wild Horse the other day....

Charlie, did you say you had played the little gem 'Briar Patch' at Beckley? Strange fairway grass, but a very fun layout.

I have recommended The KY State Park Trail too often already. Dale Hollow, Hidden Cove, and Eagle Ridge are great bargains. Come see.

Doug

Doug Wright

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2008, 10:56:48 AM »
"Some of these courses are real stretch as to HGs.

LuLu?
Lehigh?
Ekwanok?
Foresgate?
Knoll?
Roaring Gap?
Old Town?
Bethpage Red?
Belvedere?
Eastward Ho!

These are courses I have played, think are fairly famous/well known or are ranked in some mag or other."

Sean,

Agreed. Also some like Barona have become more well known over the past 6 years. If/when I recompile and update this list some editorial discretion will be exercised and some of these may well be excised...



Doug,

I thought you'd been around long enough to remember that this original HG list was compiled in mid-2001, when these courses were HG's, even on GCA.  It was discussion in the early years here that made 'discoveries' of these courses, some now ranked as Eastward Ho!, Lehigh, and Old Town are, and Barona was.

Scott,

Yes I have been around that long, and yes this shows how "hidden gems" can become "known gems" by the passage of time.
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Jed Peters

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2008, 11:20:53 AM »
Wild Hawk (Elk Grove, CA): Lots of interesting fairway undulations and central hazards, doesn't feel cramped despite small acreage, houses only along one border. Cheap (by CA standards).

Whoa. You're actually the first person I've heard say they like that course or compare it to anything like a "hidden" gem.

hhuffines

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2008, 11:32:49 AM »
Ditto on Mt. Mitchell!  I'd like to add Boone GC in Boone, NC - an old Ellis Maples that has been redone and looks great.  Nice mix of holes and some rolling terrain.

Also would add CC of Johnson County in Smithfield, another Maples I think.  Neil Lancaster taught himself to play there.  Just a really fun, country golf course.

Thanks.

rjsimper

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #60 on: June 10, 2008, 11:43:19 AM »
Redlands CC - Redlands, CA
Luana Hills GC - Kailua, Oahu

Matt_Ward

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #61 on: June 10, 2008, 11:48:04 AM »
Gents:

Those who mentioned Grandote in La Veta, CO should note that the course really has never gotten back to the point where it was when it first opened. The faciity was especially noteworthy when it opened and I'm glad I had the opportunity to have played it then.

As an FYI -- the course, for a short time, was rated by GD among the ten best in the entire state. For my purposes, any so-called "hidden gem" can only be truly hidden when it has never been rated -- either statewide or nationwide.

Charlie Dusic:

I've played Twisted Gun and frankly it's remote location is more the issue for fame than the existing architecture. The course was designed by an amateur and it's a shame to have wasted such a site for such a low level design product. Twisted Gun is more "hidden" (thankfully) and less of a "gem" IMHO.

Chris Clouser:

Good call with Bear Slide -- gets little attention outside immediate 50-mile radius.

Mike Sweeney:

Also superb call on Morris County -- gets extremely little attention because of the top shelf architectural neighborhood it's in.


Paul Saathoff

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2008, 11:51:27 AM »
Bart, Andy, Chris:

We used to play the Peru Muni in a HS tourney... I haven't played there in a long time but remember it definately having a bit of quirk, and some fun elevation changes.  

For the Central IN area, I'd nominate the following:  
Wildcat Creek in Kokomo (plus it's just down the road from a famous gentleman's establishment)
Coyote Crossing in Lafeyette
Honeywell GC in Wabash (30 dollars all you can play on Mondays)
Meadowbrook GC in Anderson (short and sweet, not the greatest scenerey)
Killbuck GC in Anderson (its cheap, has some fun greens, and a handful of really good holes IMO)
and I'm in total agreement about Royal Highlands  
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Bart Bradley

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2008, 12:07:46 PM »
Bart, Andy, Chris:

We used to play the Peru Muni in a HS tourney... I haven't played there in a long time but remember it definately having a bit of quirk, and some fun elevation changes.  

For the Central IN area, I'd nominate the following:  
Wildcat Creek in Kokomo (plus it's just down the road from a famous gentleman's establishment)
Coyote Crossing in Lafeyette
Honeywell GC in Wabash (30 dollars all you can play on Mondays)
Meadowbrook GC in Anderson (short and sweet, not the greatest scenerey)
Killbuck GC in Anderson (its cheap, has some fun greens, and a handful of really good holes IMO)
and I'm in total agreement about Royal Highlands  

This is great...Another Peru muni mention...the place will be able to raise their rate to $19 if we just keep it up.

I too have played Royal Highlands and enjoyed it.  I had forgotten all about it until Chris mentioned it.  Bear Slide is such a mixed bag with a couple of lousy holes...distinctly different front and back nines.  I played it about 20 times when I lived in Indy so I guess I didn't hate it.

Bart

Doug Wright

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2008, 01:05:52 PM »
Gents:

Those who mentioned Grandote in La Veta, CO should note that the course really has never gotten back to the point where it was when it first opened. The faciity was especially noteworthy when it opened and I'm glad I had the opportunity to have played it then.

As an FYI -- the course, for a short time, was rated by GD among the ten best in the entire state. For my purposes, any so-called "hidden gem" can only be truly hidden when it has never been rated -- either statewide or nationwide.


Matt, when did you last play Grandote pardner? In my opinion the course, which I played when it opened and nearly every year since (including during its "dust bowl years"), is  very much back to where it was when it opened.

Matt--I can't be quite so dogmatic as you in tying "hidden gem" status to whether the course ever has been rated. Perhaps that's OK as a general proposition but Grandote Peaks is very much the exception. When was it rated? Its first year in 1997 or so? This fine course is so far off the radar screen NORAD can't find it! I prefer my definition of "hidden gem" (without the ratings qualification) and I'm sticking to it.
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Chris_Clouser

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2008, 01:43:19 PM »
Paul,

Wildcat Creek is a good mention. 
I haven't seen Meadowbrook in years, I hear Liddy's work there has helped it a lot.  It used to be a dump of a course.
Having grown up in the Anderson area, I played there and Killbuck a lot. 
Coyote Crossing is another worthy mention. 

For that matter, I think you could put about 40 courses from Indiana on this list.  Indiana is the Hidden Gem of public golf in the country in my mind.

Doug Ralston keeps hyping the Kentucky stuff, which I haven't seen, but for my money it would be tough to beat the Hoosier state.


James Boon

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2008, 04:09:12 PM »
My definition:  A course you play as an add on during a trip and enjoy better than many of the main attractions:

Jason, nice description!

I'm still fairly new on here so some of these may already be well known but , I liked Jason's description of a hidden gem, so thought I'd add a few? These are all worth a visit on any trip to play some of the more well known courses of this World...

1. Brora, yes I know most of you guys know it but when I mention it to most others I play golf with they have never heard of it? Find yourself playing Dornoch and you must venture this way!
2. Painswick, though I've seen it mentioned on here before? Find yourself heading for St Enodoc, Saunton or RND? (don't forget Burnham & Berrow!)
3. Cavendish, great Alister MacKenzie course, but again mentioned on here before I seem to recall? Perhaps as a detour from Notts or Alwoodley?

So not sure how hidden they are, but they are gems!
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Scott Whitley

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2008, 04:12:27 PM »
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2008, 04:30:39 PM »
Hidden Gems?  I think there are two of those under Paul Cowley's ASGCA Kilt.....barely! ;D
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Matt_Ward

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2008, 05:59:40 PM »
Doug:

A few retorts are in order ...

I played Grandote on my way back from Black Mesa last year and it's nothing more than I described. I really liked the course when it first opened. But if you believe what's there now is the equivalent of what it was when it first opened -- then we disagree -- big time.

Doug, GD rated the course too high in my book and there's little doubt that even when it was at its finest it could not sniff cracking the top ten in Colorado now IMHO.

Allow me to explain my rationale in regards to the true meaning of "hidden gem." Any such course(s) must be literally invisible to the greater mass of golfers who certainly follow the ebb and flow of such courses when they open and come onto the scene. When Grandote first opened it certainly did that because as you opined it would be a great site for a NORAD base. Few people ever heard of La Veta -- then or now. However, once Grandote was rated top ten by Digest it stopped being "hidden" and was flying high in elite company. It's fall was sudden and from what I saw last years was only slowly coming back to where it was.

But just remember this -- the world of golf design -- especially in Colorado since Grandote first opened has evolved greatly. I would think you would know that better than most.






Matt--I can't be quite so dogmatic as you in tying "hidden gem" status to whether the course ever has been rated. Perhaps that's OK as a general proposition but Grandote Peaks is very much the exception. When was it rated? Its first year in 1997 or so? This fine course is so far off the radar screen NORAD can't find it! I prefer my definition of "hidden gem" (without the ratings qualification) and I'm sticking to it.


Doug Ralston

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #70 on: June 10, 2008, 06:44:49 PM »
Paul,

Wildcat Creek is a good mention. 
I haven't seen Meadowbrook in years, I hear Liddy's work there has helped it a lot.  It used to be a dump of a course.
Having grown up in the Anderson area, I played there and Killbuck a lot. 
Coyote Crossing is another worthy mention. 

For that matter, I think you could put about 40 courses from Indiana on this list.  Indiana is the Hidden Gem of public golf in the country in my mind.

Doug Ralston keeps hyping the Kentucky stuff, which I haven't seen, but for my money it would be tough to beat the Hoosier state.



Chris, I'll take that challenge. Courses mentioned here in Indiana that I have played in liked.

1. Rock Hollow
2. Sultan's Run
3. Coyote Crossing
4. Trophy Club
5. Purgatory
are all among the best, but also worth a play
1, Royal Hyland
2. Meadowbrook.
Not mentioned and should
1. Buck Point
2. Belterra
3. Grand Oak
4. Prairie View

Now Chris, those 1st 5 would definitely be in a Kentucky Top 20, as might Buck Point. But I question if any would cut into the Top 5. Indiana does indeed have a larger array of good quality courses than poor Kentucky. But Kentucky is top-heavy with some real nice ones, and one so peculiar that some simply do not like it, while others come from far away regularly to play [ER].

Come see.
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Damn, STILL can't make imageshack help me post a picture.

Doug
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Doug Wright

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #71 on: June 10, 2008, 06:49:19 PM »
Doug:

A few retorts are in order ...

I played Grandote on my way back from Black Mesa last year and it's nothing more than I described. I really liked the course when it first opened. But if you believe what's there now is the equivalent of what it was when it first opened -- then we disagree -- big time.

Doug, GD rated the course too high in my book and there's little doubt that even when it was at its finest it could not sniff cracking the top ten in Colorado now IMHO.

Allow me to explain my rationale in regards to the true meaning of "hidden gem." Any such course(s) must be literally invisible to the greater mass of golfers who certainly follow the ebb and flow of such courses when they open and come onto the scene. When Grandote first opened it certainly did that because as you opined it would be a great site for a NORAD base. Few people ever heard of La Veta -- then or now. However, once Grandote was rated top ten by Digest it stopped being "hidden" and was flying high in elite company. It's fall was sudden and from what I saw last years was only slowly coming back to where it was.

But just remember this -- the world of golf design -- especially in Colorado since Grandote first opened has evolved greatly. I would think you would know that better than most.






Matt--I can't be quite so dogmatic as you in tying "hidden gem" status to whether the course ever has been rated. Perhaps that's OK as a general proposition but Grandote Peaks is very much the exception. When was it rated? Its first year in 1997 or so? This fine course is so far off the radar screen NORAD can't find it! I prefer my definition of "hidden gem" (without the ratings qualification) and I'm sticking to it.



Matt,

A few rejoinders to your retorts are in order...

I think your rear view mirror view of Grandote when it first opened is a bit blurry. Yes it was a really fine course then and it is again now. But your lofty view of the course's beginnings are misplaced. I guess you realize that when you say GD rated the course too high.

We agree that there's no way it's top 10 Colorado now. And I agree that the world of Colorado golf has evolved big-time since Grandote opened. But what's that have to do with this discussion of the course in question?

I must again respectfully disagree with your definition of "hidden gem." I suspect there aren't too many people on this website (who, after all, are the real audience for this subject) have their 1997 or 1998 Golf Digest "Best of" issues lying around or refer to them. So what if this course appeared once on a state of Colorado list? Unlike, say, Pacific Dunes, it long since disapeared from the view of raters and readers, including readers of this site. We readers are trying to get a handle on worthy courses that, to use your words, are "literally invisible" NOW so we might think about seeing them if we are in the area.  

Matt--Go back and read my definition, which I think is apropos of this topic. The intent here is to identify courses that are "Hard to find or relatively unknown to participants on this site, but a quality course with decent golf course architecture that is worth seeing if you are in the area." Tell me that Grandote Peaks doesn't fit that definition. If you want another definition, pardner, start another thread. [emoticon deleted in deference to Dan Kelly]
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Doug Ralston

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2008, 06:50:27 PM »
<a href="http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc02041mt1.jpg" target="_blank"><img

Another view of the same hole, I hope, if you click on it.

Is this coming out afterall?

Doug

PS: I think this can at least let you see a couple KY holes. Try this:
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PSPS:

Sorry, this picture posting thing has been frustrating. I'm sure even this old man will catch on in time.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2008, 08:45:48 PM »



Another view of the same hole, I hope, if you click on it.

Is this coming out afterall?

Doug

PS: I think this can at least let you see a couple KY holes. Try this:


PSPS:

Sorry, this picture posting thing has been frustrating. I'm sure even this old man will catch on in time.

"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Paul Saathoff

Re: What Are Your "Hidden Gems"?
« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2008, 09:26:20 PM »
Doug,

what course is this?

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