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John Shimp

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Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2008, 10:22:46 AM »
1. Shinnecock #11
2. ANGC #12
3. RCD #4
4. TOC #11
5. Merion East #17
6. Palmetto #7
7. Yale #9
8. Yeamans Hall #6
9. Maidstone #8

10. North Berwick #15
11. Troon #8
12. Roaring Gap #6
13. Carolina Golf Club #3
14. Honors #14
15. Ocean Course #14
16. Prestwick #4
17. Royal Dornoch #10
18. Shinnecock #7

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Matt_Ward

Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2008, 10:34:58 AM »
Pat:

I'll answer from the local side of things first -- with the best 18 par-3 holes I have played in the Garden State -- otherwise known as Juursey to those outside the area.

Pine Valley / 5th hole & 10th holes
Plainfield / 11th hole
Forsgate / Banks 3rd, 7th, 12th and 17th holes
Essex County / 9th and 11th
Hollywood / 4th
Manasquan River / 15th
Montclair / 3rd (#4 nine)

That's a total of 12 holes -- I'll finish the remaining six later.




Most overrated ...

Baltusrol / Lower 4th
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BVince

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Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2008, 04:19:10 PM »
Cypress Point 16
Cypress Point 15
Pebble 7
Pasatiempo 3
MPCC Shore 11
SFGC 7
Winged Foot 10
Winged Foot 3
Bethpage 17
Chambers Bay 17
Pacific Dunes 11
Bandon Dunes 15
Bandon Trails 17
Waterwood National 14
Tacoma C&GC 6
Stanwich 13
Victoria National 5
Navy 17
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K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2008, 05:27:30 PM »
Merion 3
Tralee 3
Peachtree 4
Colonial 4
Champions 4
Royal County Down 4
Lahinch 5
Lawsonia 7
SFGC 7
Aronimink 8
Champions 8
Austin GC 10
Kapalua Plantation 11
Ballybunion Old 12
Merion 13
Honors 14
Royal Portrush 14
Pasatiempo 15
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Glenn Spencer

Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2008, 05:55:16 PM »
#14 Holston Hills
#2 Moraine
#15 NCR South
#16 The Golf Club
#16 Wolf Run
#13 Wolf Run
#9 Huntington CC
#6 Crooked Stick
#17 Crooked Stick
#8 Camargo- Exact opposite of Chris up above. I would trust him, though.
#17 Canterbury
#5 Gleneagles Kings
#2 Garden City
#5 Miami Valley
#15 North Berwick
#3 Harvester
#2 Wollaston
#8 Ocean Course
#17 OSU Scarlet

No order
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John Goodman

Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2008, 06:12:36 PM »
Dornoch 2
Olympic (Lake) 3
Casa de Campo (Teeth) 5
TOC 11
Pebble 7
Cruden Bay 4
Waterville 12
Portmarnock 15
Portrush 14
Ballybunion 15
North Berwick 15
Carnoustie 16
Bandon Trails 5
Pacific Dunes 10
Pacific Dunes 17
Pinehurst #2 9
Muirfield 13
Royal Ashdown Forest 6
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Sam Morrow

Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2008, 06:39:30 PM »
Poor me having played most of my golf in Texas but I'll give it a shot, in no particular order.

1. Sugar Creek Canyons (Hinton, OK) #16
2. Crimson Creek Golf Course (El Reno, OK) #3
3. Lakota Canyons #9
4. Colonial #4
5. Champions- Cypress #4
6. Champions- Cypress #8
7. Champions- Cypress #12
8. Austin Golf Club #8
9. Austin Golf Club #10
10. High Meadow Ranch #9
11. Barton Creek Fazio- Foothills #9
12. Castle Pines #11
13. Bay Hill #17
14. Dallas Country Club #16
15. Waterwood National #2
16. Waterwood National #14
17. San Antonio Country Club #1
18. Blaketree National #10
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David Kelly

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Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2008, 09:15:28 PM »
Some that stand out:

Royal Melbourne West - 5
Fisher's Island - 5
MPCC Dunes - 7
Apache Stronghold - 14
Lawsonia - 7
Prairie Dunes - 2
Riviera -  4
Cypress Point - 15
Cypress Point - 16
Pinehurst #2 - 9
Pacific Dunes - 17
Pebble Beach - 7
Barnbougle - 7
New South Wales - 6
Ballyneal - 15
Yarra Yarra - 11
Kingston Heath - 15
Rustic Canyon - 17
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Gerry B

Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2008, 10:45:11 PM »
hard to narrow down to 18 but off the top of my head:

Fishers Island #5 and #11 is also great
Pine Valley # 5
Myopia - all 3 -but would give #9 the nod
Chicago Golf Club #7 - and #10 is great as well
Shinnecock # 11
Merion # 17
Maidstone #8
Cypress Point #16
Yale #9
Scarboro # 4
#16 at TCC @ Brookline
#6 at Riviera
#10 at Bel Air
Indian Creek #12
#12 at Manele Bay
the short at Forsgate - what a great green complex
#16 at Beacon Hall
#11 at The Creek Club



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Geoffrey_Walsh

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Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2008, 09:11:47 AM »
Quote from: Matt_Ward on June 09, 2008, 10:34:58 AM
Most overrated ...

Baltusrol / Lower 4th


Matt,

Why do you feel the hole is overrated?  The green is basically three greens in one w/ the tiers and the bunkers long/water short requires a precise yardage.  Combine that with the setting and it is a world class par 3 IMHO.
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Matt_Ward

Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2008, 11:58:35 AM »
Geoffrey W:

Try to think what I said in my entire post ... look at the names of the other candidates I mentioned. Many of them have received one-tenth of one percent of the attention thatthe 4th at Baltusrol Lower has received over the years.

Candidly, the stort of Trent Jones making an ace there is what really elevated the stature of the hole after his work there in the mid-50's.

It's a par-3 over water on a layout which has hosted several US Opens. So?

Trent did similar type holes -- venture to the 11th at Hominy Hill in Colts Neck and you'll seea variation of the same theme. I do concede the nature of the green but all in all the hole is not at the top tier level of other Tillie par-3's -- take the 10th at WF / West or the 17th at BB, to name just two quick examples.
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2008, 04:02:01 PM »
Cypress Point 16
Sand Hills 17
Black Creek 17
Lookout Mountain 16
Kilspindie 8
Memphis CC 4
Pebble 17
The Old Course 11
Honors 14
Cascades 11
Bandon Trails 17
Whistling Straits 17
Ballyneal 2
SFGC 7
French Lick 13
Chambers Bay 17
Pacific Dunes 10
Cherokee CC 12
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Geoffrey_Walsh

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Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2008, 08:49:48 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Ward on June 10, 2008, 11:58:35 AM
Trent did similar type holes -- venture to the 11th at Hominy Hill in Colts Neck and you'll seea variation of the same theme. I do concede the nature of the green but all in all the hole is not at the top tier level of other Tillie par-3's -- take the 10th at WF / West or the 17th at BB, to name just two quick examples.

Matt,

I have played all of the holes that you mention (HH, WFW and BB) and I would put the 4th right up there with them.  I think the tee shot in some ways is even more exacting than the Pulpit hole, but less so than BB.  The challenge at Bethpage is stopping the ball on the right tier of the blind surface with a long iron which has always given me trouble.  However, you can bailout long and have a reasonable shot from the back bunkers unlike the 4th at Baltusrol.  The back bunker at Baltusrol might be worse than dunking your tee shot if the pin is up front.  You have an easier time making 4 from the drop zone.

As an aside, I think HH is greatly underrated these days as a public option in NJ and would love to hear your thoughts on the course.
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Eric_Terhorst

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Re: Name the 18 BEST
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2008, 11:41:46 PM »
#4, 7 Royal County Down
#11 Crystal Downs
#15, 16 Cypress Point
#3 Pasatiempo
#7 Pebble Beach
#13 French Lick
#3 Olympic Club Lake
#7 Lawsonia
#7 Spring Valley, Salem WI
#11 Pacific Dunes
#2, 17 Bandon Trails
#15 Bandon Dunes
#3 Whistling Straits (Straits)
#12 Lake Merced GC
#8 Sea Ranch Golf Links, Sonoma Co., CA
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