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Matt_Ward

Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« on: May 27, 2008, 10:39:12 AM »
Had the opportunity to see a previous Golf World that highlighted the top 10 underrated architects of the 20th century. It seems little doubt to me that Ron Whitten has a major hand on the listing.

The listing is from 1999 and clearly does not include a few recent names from designers of courses that opened after that time frame.

Makes for an interesting listing -- I'll be sure to note correct answers when they come in. The top choice is indeed a surprising one for me.

As an FYI -- only two of the top ten are still living.

Brad Tufts

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 11:07:20 AM »
Joe Lee?
Dick Wilson?
Desmond Muirhead?
Herbert Strong?
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Matt_Ward

Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 11:13:31 AM »
Brad:

Good try -- only one makes the listing ...

Herb Strong -- finished at #3

"Most inventive. His island green in Ponte Vedra, FL gained nationa publicity 50 years before Pete Dye. Also invented the pull cart."


Mark Bourgeois

Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 11:14:58 AM »
Fowler?

Mike_Cirba

Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 11:16:38 AM »
Devereux Emmett should probably head that list.

Brad Tufts

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 11:17:56 AM »
Maybe I'm shooting too obscure...

Macdonald
Raynor

Surely MacKenzie and Ross can't be on the list...nor can RTJ.

Geoffrey Cornish?

Travis?
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

BCrosby

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 11:18:40 AM »
Among US architects:

Langford
Leeds
Dick Wilson

Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 11:19:44 AM »

Walter Travis.   ;D

Matt_Ward

Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2008, 11:25:07 AM »
Craig:

Good mention of Travis = gets the #2 position.

"Australian-born, took up golf at age 36 and won three U.S. Amateurs. No designer created more ferocious bunkers. See Garden City (NY) and Hollywood (NJ)."

BCrosby:

Good mention of Langford= gets the #6 position.

"Langford's 12-foot-deep bunkers with flat bottoms at Culver Academy and Harrison Hills in Indiana so impressed Pete Dye that he adopted that style."

Gents:

All the others named thus far are not on the listing ...




Greg Krueger

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2008, 11:26:35 AM »
How about Willie Park.

Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 11:29:39 AM »

Looks like Brad beat me to Travis actually...

Is Pete Dye one of the living?   

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2008, 11:30:04 AM »
Braid?
Simpson?

Mike Hendren

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2008, 11:33:27 AM »
Hurdzan?
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2008, 11:36:54 AM »
perry maxwell?

BCrosby

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2008, 11:38:51 AM »
If Whitten did the list, then I change my votes to:

Joe Burbeck
Billy Payne
Hootie Johnson
Tim Finchem
Whoever it was who designed ANGC. ;)

Bob

Steve Hyden

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2008, 11:51:09 AM »
Stiles and maybe Van Kleek

Billsteele

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2008, 03:31:20 PM »
Just because much of his work was in Canada, I'll throw out Stanley Thompson  as a possibility.

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2008, 05:50:33 PM »
Ted Robinson?

Garland Bayley

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2008, 06:05:16 PM »
Bill Diddel?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Andrew Summerell

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2008, 06:09:55 PM »
I'm assuming no other Pre-WWII Australian architects like Alex Russell or Eric Apperly made the list.

Phil McDade

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2008, 06:47:05 PM »
Willie Watson

Herbert Tweedie

Charles Alison

David Sneddon

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2008, 07:33:00 PM »
Bill Diddel?

That's the name I would have thrown into the hat.

Playing his Kenwood GC in Cincinatti in July, in the Sr Am Qualifier.

David
Give my love to Mary and bury me in Dornoch

SPDB

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2008, 09:14:13 PM »
I would also guess that Hugh Alison is going to be on that list, as will Perry Maxwell, likewise Wayne Stiles. If we're going obscure, I'll guess that Vernon Macan gets a nod.

For my money, its definitely Tom Simpson.

But underrated is a relative term, and given his audience, I would not be surprised to see William Flynn in there or Harry Colt. Colt, Braid and OTM are the most underappreciated architects of all time, relative to the contribution of each to the development of the aesthetic. 
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John Burzynski

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2008, 09:33:02 PM »
Bill Diddel?


I third that suggestion...I have sought to play many of Diddel's courses, most of which are in the Midwest (Indiana my home state has quite a few), and my home course is a Diddel course.  The courses of his that I have played all seem to have challenging greens, and many are accessible muni's or public - privte owned courses.

BCrosby

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Re: Golf World's Underrated Architects of the 20th Century
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2008, 09:08:30 AM »
Matt -

It occurred to me that if the list was done in 1999, then a number of people now well known weren't then. Thus I would add to the guesses above:

Doak
C&C