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Geoffrey_Walsh

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Presidential Papers

Document #243; July 18, 1957
To John Hay Whitney
Series: EM, AWF, Administration Series

Dear Jock: It seems that I have had two or three notes from you since I last sent you a reply.1

First, Mamie talked to Betsey last evening--I got into the conversation for a few minutes through interruption by practically physical force. Mamie had such a laugh over some story that I insisted Betsey tell it to me. It was your remark about having sacrificed the ultimate for your country when you felt compelled to give a cocktail party for Adlai.2 I told her to remind you that there was such a thing as diplomatic sickness.

Our plans for a summer vacation are crystallized, at least to the extent that if we are able to leave Washington at all for a stay of two or more weeks, we shall go to the Naval Base at Newport, Rhode Island.3 That spot offered to us all the necessary communications, protection, privacy and, we hope, improved climate.

I have just glanced at the map and see that Newport is a little less than forty miles from Fishers Island. If landing fields are handy, we should be able to play a daily golf game by commuting by airplane. It seems to me that a boat trip, even a fairly fast one, would be a rather laborious business, unless, of course, there was good fishing both ways. In any event we will look forward to seeing you both.

I just recall that you spoke of the Fishers Island course as a "real" golf course.4 If you mean one of these tough ones with a dozen sand traps on every hole, water, ditches, wind, and all sorts of natural and unnatural hazards, you will have to find another playmate. My idea of a good golf course is 290 yard par 4s, the par 3s with no traps, and everything over 400 yards in the par 5 bracket.

I am more than pleased that you find it possible to come home rather than go to Culzean this summer. You can do that later, either through Jimmy Gault or through Mr. Gray (who is always on the job in Ayrshire).5 Incidentally, I know that you have met Jimmy Gault, but when we knew him through the war years and later, we always thought of him in connection with his wife, named Peggy.6 She is a delightful person, truly a charming Scotch lady.

What happened between them I do not know, but I understand that he is very anxious to get a divorce from her. I have always thought that this was practically impossible in Britain, but it sounds as if he wanted to marry someone else. I thought I should tell you this inasmuch as I asked him to act for me in making the arrangements at Culzean.

With warm personal regard, As ever

P.S. My hope is that we can go to Newport not later than August tenth.

http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/presidential-papers/second-term/documents/243.cfm#4

BCrosby

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Re: Dwight Eisenhower - his thoughts on a "real" golf course
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 05:15:21 PM »
It's interesting that Ike was on such intimate terms with Jock Whitney. Whitney was pretty much the acme of old line NYC society. I don't associate Ike with that crowd. Anyone know if Whitney was a member at ANGC?

Bob

Sam Morrow

Re: Dwight Eisenhower - his thoughts on a "real" golf course
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 07:54:28 PM »
If Ike said it then it must be true. Hell, he's been dead for 40 years but I think I will write him in on my ballot in November.

Rich Goodale

Re: Dwight Eisenhower - his thoughts on a "real" golf course
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2008, 12:19:31 AM »
The mention of Culzean is interesting.  As many of you may know, Culzean is an historic castle located a few miles north of Turnberry, where Ike was given use of an apartment after the war.  From the reference below, it looks like he probably played some golf at Turnberry during his visits.  Or maybe it was at Girvan, which would better fit his architectural ideals (i.e. 290 yard par-4's etc.).

http://www.aboutscotland.com/culzean/index.html

RJ_Daley

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Re: Dwight Eisenhower - his thoughts on a "real" golf course
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2008, 12:37:23 AM »
He doesn't sound like much of a gamer when it comes to thrilling golf...  :-\
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Dwight Eisenhower - his thoughts on a "real" golf course
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 12:52:47 AM »
He doesn't sound like much of a gamer when it comes to thrilling golf...  :-\

But he was really, really good at recognizing the true, natural, hidden hazards of the military-industrial complex much before his time! 

Jim Nugent

Re: Dwight Eisenhower - his thoughts on a "real" golf course
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 01:16:12 AM »
What tees did he play ANGC from?  If even the members, he must have really hated that course. 

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