TomPaul, I am no longer participating in the "substance" of this thread, as I have already answered every question at least three times. There is little if any "substance" anyway since you and your buddies are still playing hide-the-ball with the sources.
Forgive me all else, but I cannot help but comment on this latest asinine post.
TEPaul, Wayne, and Mike have been similarly snickering and misleading for years. It is their usual M.O. Their heroes' accomplishments have been fictionalized and exaggerated well beyond what any reasonable reading of the historical record will support, and at least TomP and Wayne have long had reason to know this. So TomP, Wayne, Mike, and others are reduced to tearing down these TRULY GREAT AND IMPORTANT MEN, the very same men who did as much or more for American Golf and Golf Design than any other men in history. Absolutely despicable.
And for years they have done exactly the same thing on this board. When MacWood, when I, or when anyone else brings forward any FACTS that they don't like and don't want revealed they attack mercilessly. They call us liars, call into question our intelligence, methods, and our motivations. Lie about our actions. Try everything they
can to curtain us from the historical record. Even lie to us about what Merion, the USGA, Rand Jerris, and mysterious and anonomous Canadian researchers and others think about our work. Tear us down to build up their own shaky legends. It has never been about the TRUTH for these guys, it has been about pride. Concealing the truth. Saving face. Protecting their lies and legends. A conspiracy of two. Now three.
In humor or not, it is outrageous, offensive, and an embarrassment to them, Merion, gca.com, and all of golf.
-How dare they continue to portray these great men in the light they do?
-How dare they twist and bash their lives and accomplishments and ridicule them?
-How dare they make them the target of juvenile snickering and rampant MaCcarthy Era paranoia and homophobia?
TEPaul of all people, the one who keeps claiming special insight into the lives of the great men of the era, insisting that we need to bestow upon their select "MEN" of Philadelphia the upmost respect and continue to credit them not only for that they did, but for everything he imagines they might have done.
These guys have been doing this for years.
- Whigham a "toady" and a lackey whose word is worthless and must be disregarded?
- Macdonald an arrogant and selfish ass, and an incompetent hack, with little or no experience or knowledge at the time?
- NGLA nothing but a bunch of rote copies, lacking in originality and creativity, and not even a real course until 1911?
- "Little Devie??"
- But the "MEN OF MERION" these were "ALL REAL MEN" in comparison.
TomPaul, Wayne, Mike Cirba, either you guys are completely ignorant of the bigger picture of Golf Course Architecture in America or you are entirely duplicitous and dishonest, or both.
Go ahead Tom. Say you were joking. Attack my sense of humor, as you often do as another way to try and knock me rather than focusing on the issues. But imagine I had made similar jokes about your Philadelphia MEN. For years. And interspersed my "humor" with outright misrepresentations about what really happened. I don't think you'd have much "humor" then. You guys cannot even handle the TRUTH about your legends, much less jokes about them.
Don't get me wrong, your Philadelphia heroes and Merion's heroes (namely Hugh Wilson, Lloyd, Francis, and Lesley) all contributed significantly to Merion and to American golf in general, and other Philadelphians who you rarely if ever mention might have even contributed as much or more.
But you've insulting their memories enough and embarrassed Merion and gca.com and Golf enough by the way you and Wayne have for so long misread their words and duplicitously exaggerated and inflated their actions. It is even more embarrassing and insulting that you, Wayne, and Mike have chosen to do so by demeaning some of the greatest names in the history of golf, MEN that your heroes obviously respected much more than you guys ever could.
Yet TEPaul, Wayne, Mike, and others constantly caricature, diminish, and brutalize the reputations of these TRULY great men, whose lives and records do not need the embellishment and exaggeration you heap on your local heroes.
For the life of me, I have no idea why Merion, Philadelphia, the USGA or anyone else allows these narrow-minded, homophobic provincials to speak in their name. They give a bad name to all of golf. But I guess that is their business, not mine.
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Mike "FOOL ME TWICE SAYONARA" Cirba.
You are back. Again. I thought you left the site? Again. In another fit of rage, was it? Something about some big conspiracy to sandbag with the documents, wasn't it? How'd you get that thread deleted, anyway? And why? There was no substance in it, but it was pretty good insight into your character.
Sort of ironic, though, don't you think? You stormed off in another fit, unfounded again, about some of us supposedly sandbagging with the documents? Yet there you are, everyday relying on documents that are being intentionally screened off from certain of us. By the way, are you a member of M.C.C. or M.G.C.? How do you feel about posting about their private information without their permission?
As usual, your sense of justice and outrage only goes one way. Naturally. Another sign of a closed mind.
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There. I feel better now. Now back to my hole.