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Eric Franzen

Re: Why are Sand Hills and Ballyneal Alp-less?
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2008, 03:41:09 AM »
I have a vauge idea what an 'ALps but what is the definition and whats the origional? 

From the interview with George Bahto on Gca.com

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Alps' was a term describing a blind shot throughout the British Isles - the original was the 17th at Prestwick. The 3rd at National is an awe-inspiring version. A 'mountain' must be carried on the approach shot to a green fronted by a deep cross bunker. National's Alps is considered an anachronism to some, but students of the classics consider it a wonderful tribute to days gone by. It was the end of the era of blind shots, but C.B could not resist when he found a natural Alps site when building his Ideal Golf Course. Seth Raynor built an Alps on most courses, but they were generally identified as having 'Alps bunkering' - meaning some cross-bunkering in front of the green. Instead of a blind approach over a 'mountain,' Raynor customarily positioned his Alps renditions just over the crest of a rising fairway - then cross-bunkering the green complex. Sadly, many clubs covered in the cross bunker because they did not understand the origin and concept. Alps greens usually had a spine of sorts running through the green to compound putting problems.

I also recommend that you check out his excellent book "The Evangelist of Golf" which contains in depth analysis of all the so-called template holes.

Cheers,

Eric

Mike Sweeney

Re: Why are Sand Hills and Ballyneal Alp-less?
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2008, 06:07:50 AM »
To be honest with you I've just never understood why C&C put that dirt and that rumpled look behind #4 at Hidden Creek. Somehow I think that hole would shot better if they just left the ground alone back there. I do understand that with Hidden Creek they were trying to pay a tribute to early Heathland architecture but I'm not sure if that backdrop look exists behind any healthland green naturally or otherwise. I am more than willing to be convinced of the reason though.

Tom,

It is actually the Pat Mucci tribute hole, but it can only be seen from an aerial.


James Bennett

Re: Why are Sand Hills and Ballyneal Alp-less?
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2008, 06:13:54 AM »
Quote from: Jim Nugent link=topic=33885.msg678557#msg678557
Does any C&C course have any of those holes? 
Here is the "redan" from Hidden Creek (from Ran's course profile) however I am not sure where else they have used template holes as inspiration.



Dave

elements of Rosanna #6 there!

James B
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

Ken Fry

Re: Why are Sand Hills and Ballyneal Alp-less?
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2008, 07:16:24 AM »
Quote from: Jim Nugent link=topic=33885.msg678557#msg678557
Does any C&C course have any of those holes? 
Here is the "redan" from Hidden Creek (from Ran's course profile) however I am not sure where else they have used template holes as inspiration.

Very similar to the design of the #14th hole at Warren at Notre Dame...

Ken

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