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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: What's More Important, the Topography or Soil?
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2008, 10:27:16 AM »
Having worked my career in clay based soils of Illinois and Texas, I take clay soils as a given and prefer topography!  Of my 50 courses, only a nine holer in Louisana, Wild Wing in MB, and the Quarry in MN had sandy soils in part or in full.  I'm working on a new one where its a sandy silt, which drains fast, but not so reliably that low areas don't need catch basins.  Even at the Quarry, which was an old sand quarry, we had to move the best sand around to provide the best fw, because it did have small rocks in it, too large for fw mowers to handle.

With modern agronomy, its not terribly difficult to overcome those soil problems, even if not ideal.  And yes, if you want to do Ross style (real or imagined, see my other thread!) chipping areas, the low spots need catch basins in clay.

As to topography, I would say the first thing I like to avoid is floodplain sites.  Then really steep hills with no flat areas to work around.  Gently rolling with a few dramatic rises works fine in most cases.  Ideal is the Sand Hills type topo with lots of natural valleys.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

cary lichtenstein

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Re: What's More Important, the Topography or Soil?
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2008, 01:42:21 PM »
Topography, topography, topography...all great courses have that in common.

That is why there are no great courses in dead flat Florida which is all sand, but obviously not the right type of sand.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: What's More Important, the Topography or Soil?
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2008, 01:48:43 PM »
Seminole ain't too bad. Niether is TPC or Pine Tree or Indian Creek.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Steve Lang

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Re: What's More Important, the Topography or Soil?
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2008, 06:57:39 PM »
 8) hey.. pine needles has both sand and topography

give me aberdeen, southern pines topography and sand in April & May, Sept & Oct..
give me northern michigan topography and sand in July and August..
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Paul_Daley

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Re: What's More Important, the Topography or Soil?
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2008, 07:43:03 AM »
Steve: mate ... you could construct a top-40 song out of your post. Good for you!

Steve Lang

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Re: What's More Important, the Topography or Soil?
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2008, 09:13:43 AM »
 8)  fill my pint and take me to ballyneal in the morning!
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Lester George

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Re: What's More Important, the Topography or Soil?
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2008, 12:23:22 AM »
Like JB, I'm used to average to fair soils and I can amend soil.

I'll take topo evertime because there is no substitute for great topo, especially if you don't like to create it.

Lester