[John Kavanaugh]

If anyone can name a routing in the history of golf worse than 17 and 18 at TR I would love to hear it.  16 and 17 at St. Louis CC. is close but not quite as bad because of the lack of elevation climbs and the ability to hit both tee shots at once.

[JESII]

If anyone can name a routing in the history of golf worse than 17 and 18 at TR I would love to hear it. 

#12 - #13 at Royal New Kent...haha

[JESII]

Chip,

My point was that you did not directly address any of his specific issues. If you don't like his hyperbole don't pay attention to him.


Useless lines like the one below add no value whatsoever to the conversation...

"It is a blown deal that could have easily been fixed."....yep, they should blow it up, just imagine how great it would have been if only you had designed it

And if you think you're going to somehow piss him off with a remark like that, think again...his trail of vanquished souls is more than you're ready to face...

[John Kavanaugh]

JES,

I was a bit harse to Chip when he first came on board, I'm digging him now.  He does have some fresh opinions.

[JESII]

But he can't take your heat...are you willing to coddle him for a few months?

[John Kavanaugh]

But he can't take your heat...are you willing to coddle him for a few months?

I would say Chip has taken heat as well as anyone on this board.  Enough about Chip.  I hope that I treat everyone the same, perceived friend or foe.

[A.G._Crockett]

If anyone can name a routing in the history of golf worse than 17 and 18 at TR I would love to hear it.  16 and 17 at St. Louis CC. is close but not quite as bad because of the lack of elevation climbs and the ability to hit both tee shots at once.

John,
You are, presumably, exempting subdivision golf courses from consideration, and talking only about stand-alone courses.  You and I have both seen courses built through housing that make the routing of 17 and 18 at TR pale by comparison.

But I agree with you in principle.  I absolutely love TR, but I got lost looking for the 17th tee the first time I played it, and came off the 18th green looking for the next/last hole before I realized what I had done.  That is unfortunate, but not unheard of.  Good signage has eliminated that; it's just a long walk/ride now.

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