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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Sand Hills and Ballyneal
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2008, 10:36:27 AM »

In the article he implies that Ballyneal's walking only policy may be costing them some memberships, is this the case?   Certainly Bandon's walking only policy has not hurt them. 

I wish more people would join so they can build the Grateful Dunes course.


John Kavanaugh

Re: Sand Hills and Ballyneal
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2008, 10:42:52 AM »

In the article he implies that Ballyneal's walking only policy may be costing them some memberships, is this the case?   Certainly Bandon's walking only policy has not hurt them. 

I wish more people would join so they can build the Grateful Dunes course.



Once baby boomers get their kids out of college and free up some initiation fee capital they are too old to join a walking only course.  What I still don't understand is how Red Stick in Vero Beach is walking only...so I could be wrong.

George Pazin

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Re: Sand Hills and Ballyneal
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2008, 11:21:28 AM »
Chip:

It's a nice question, but one which I will decline to answer with specifics.  For one thing, I have never found it a bad thing to be "lumped in" with Bill Coore and Ben Crenshaw.  And our overriding philosophies about golf are VERY similar, in part because I've listened to what Ben had to say about architecture for about 27 years now, and because I've been to all the places he told me I should see.

But our methods are somewhat different, and the details of our work are very different.  I love to go and see their courses because I am always shaking my head at things they've built, and thinking that I never would have done that, or that I never would have thought of that.  And I know that Bill thinks a lot of what we do is crazy, in a good way.  We are both amused that some people seem to think we're interchangeable, and that practically no one has ever managed to figure out the differences between our styles ... but we're not going to TELL everyone the differences if they can't figure it out, because that is what makes us unique.

Last but not least, the people who work for us are different, especially in how they affect the finished product.

I hope someday you will be able to share this, even if it's just with someone who will share the secret to me over a beer. :)
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

George Pazin

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Re: Sand Hills and Ballyneal
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2008, 11:26:41 AM »
Some of the best architects have been the most difficult to type.

That won't stop people from developing their own stereotyping.

The same thing happens in all artistic fields, from music to painting to whatever. People who are (obsessive) fans see minor subtleties as important differences, people who are simply looking for a cursory overview will only see the basic similarities. How many times have you heard someone say that all the music of someone you like all sounds the same? You naturally think they're crazy.

Heck, there's posters on here - who are almost by definition obsessive fans - who prefer to see things only in broad generalities.

Rich G and redanman had a French saying for it, something about chickens and gooses. :)
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

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