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Ryan Crago

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Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2006, 12:46:18 AM »
Quote from: john_stiles on December 19, 2006, 09:12:24 AM

Now, with the passing of RTJ,  are there any plans for changes to Cashen ?    Any developments on revising Cashen ?

If i'm not mistaken, there may have been "renovation" proposals for the Cashen course posted in the Members Lounge when i was there this past September.

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ForkaB

Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2006, 04:11:18 AM »
Being a GCA snob at the time, I didn't even think of playing the Cashen in my 3 trips to Ballybunion, but next time I go I will.  I agree fully with Geoff and others--it looks like thrilling, fun golf.

PS--didn't Ballybunion member and occasional GCA poster Tim Weiman oft express his love for the Cashen?
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Mark Pearce

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Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2006, 04:44:12 AM »
It looks "unfair" but life isn't meant to be fair and it looks fun, exciting and challenging, all of which life should be.  I've never played it or the Old and I probably would have given it a miss.  Having seen these, though, when I do get to the Old I'll also play the Cashen.
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Paul Richards

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Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2006, 12:27:39 PM »
Ballybunion had gotten so desperate over the years to 'spread the play out' over their two courses - due the fact that anyone who had played the Cashen wouldn't go back - that they wouldn't allow a second round on the Old.  You were only 'allowed' one round per day there.  Your 'other' round had to be on the Cashen.

Not sure if this policy is still in effect, but rather than play the Cashen for our 'second round' there last time, we decided the time would be better spent in a pub.

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Garland Bayley

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Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2006, 12:47:45 PM »
In Emerald Fairways and Foam Flecked Seas, James Finegan ends the book with the Cashen course, calls it a masterpiece, and says that Ballybunion may have the best 36 holes of any facility with at least 36 holes in the world.
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George Pazin

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Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2006, 01:58:54 PM »
Quote from: Rich Goodale on December 20, 2006, 04:11:18 AM
PS--didn't Ballybunion member and occasional GCA poster Tim Weiman oft express his love for the Cashen?

He has indeed, many times. If I remember correctly, I think he especially likes the feeling of solitude it engenders. Hopefully he'll see this thread and respond.

Thanks for the photos, as always.
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Paul_Turner

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Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2006, 10:48:13 PM »
Peter Dobereiner was great,  Ballybunion New was a blind favourite of his because he was so involved in getting Trent to build it.  

The course gets far more criticism than it deserves.  

The dunes are too severe for great golf but how else would anyone route them? It would be impossible to route anything but a severe course!  But the perched greens are too small for a links on windy day (as Donald Steel notes).  

Some of the same people who criticise The New, love similar, severe ,courses like Tralee and Carne.

I miss the short par 4 up on the dune ridge that's now NLE;  the 3rd/12th depending on how the 9s were ordered.  I think it was the 3rd originally.

Geoff

Painswick is kinder than BB New 'cos it's so short and the greens over the severest terrain are often gathering.  It's a pretty easy course unless you get aggressive trying to drive greens...which is very tempting and a great strength of Painswick... but then lost balls are likely.
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Tim_Weiman

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Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2006, 11:02:52 PM »
Rich & George,

The Cashen is my favorite place in the world. Whatever its architectural merits, the land has a spiritual quality I haven't found on any other golf course.

As for the local members, initially many didn't enjoy it. But, gradually over the years it seems to be enjoyed more. Ballybunion has many club events and it seems members are just as happy playing the Cashen as the Old.

Also noteworthy: while the 2000 Irish Open was played on the Old course, I'm pretty sure the Kerry Boys, a prestigous amateur event is usually played on the Cashen.

As for changes to the course, there have been some over the years, mostly to reduce the severity of certain features and to make walking easier.

I had planned to visit in December to check out recent discussion of changes, but my Mom has been quite ill forcing me to put off the trip. But, if I'm able to make it over soon, I'll try to report any news.
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cary lichtenstein

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Re:"...rate it better than the old Ballybunion by a considerable majority"
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2007, 06:59:00 AM »
The more I think about the Cashen Course, the more I want to return and play it again.

The dunes are so giant, there is an erie feeling about the place, almost that you're not on an earthly course, but somewhere else in the universe.

The exaggeration of land forms is stunning, and aside from the difficult lies off the fairway, it is an exciting challenge.

I would again, recommend it to all and go so far as to say, that if you don't play it, you are missing a very memorable experience and one that helps complete your architectural education and golfing experiences.

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