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Joe Bausch

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In the March issue of GolfStyles, in the "Private Matters" section, is the story of the closing of the J. Franklyn Meehan course known as Ashbourne Country Club.  I wonder if this is might be the first of many others to close up shop in the Philadelphia area.

I have an interesting story to tell about Ashbourne and a local sports talk show host around the time that Ashbourne went semi-private around 1994 if anybody really wants to hear (yeah, it involves Eskin).
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Kyle Harris

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 09:14:07 PM »
To answer your question... yes, probably.

Mike_Cirba

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 09:29:15 PM »
Joe,

Jeez, let's hope not, although in one of my pessimistic moods I did predict the golf bust about 5 years ago here.

The current recession/real estate fizzle is having an interesting effect on the golf course market for courses in high population areas.   For existing courses, on one hand they are generally having less revenue coming in, yet the great impulse to sell has been diminished by the dramatically falling prices for real estate.

Also, in some cases like Reading CC, local townships are claiming eminent domain in an effort to keep some open greenspace and lessen congestion.  However, in that case, the taxpayers are footing a much bigger bill than anticipated.   Fortunately, one of them is my brother....just bustin on him. ;)

Mike_Cirba

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 09:35:00 PM »
However, on the downside of the argument, the past two years have also seen the closings of;

Cedarbrook Hills
Upper Perk
Valley Forge

I'm thinking I'm probably missing others.

wsmorrison

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 10:40:30 PM »
Joe,

Sure, tell us the story about that jerk Howeird Foreskin.

Joe Bausch

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2008, 05:20:29 AM »
Joe,

Sure, tell us the story about that jerk Howeird Foreskin.

When Ashbourne first went semi-private in 1994, I think, they had this Howard Eskin Challenge tourney.  My foursome won the thing and were supposed to receive a trip to Georgia.  They never delivered.
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TEPaul

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2008, 07:13:36 AM »
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« Last Edit: March 06, 2008, 09:01:08 PM by TEPaul »

wsmorrison

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2008, 07:20:22 AM »
Joe,

As you know, Howeird is a jock sniffer from way back.  He still caddies and runs errands for Mike Schmidt and does the same for Charles Barkley.  Well, when Schmidt was elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame, about 10 buses were chartered to take fans up from Philadelphia.  Schmidt decided to invite Eskin as his pissboy and run errands and such.  Well, my father-in-law, Rich Ashburn was elected on the Veteran's Committee vote later that year (and 40 more buses chartered) so we all went up for the ceremony and the weekend of our lives.

My father-in-law broadcasted for the Phillies and wrote newspaper columns (really good ones, too--we're going to compile them in a book) and saw every game Mike Schmidt ever played.  They were pretty good friends (Schmidt didn't seem the outgoing type, unlike my f-i-l), and had a lot of mutual respect for one another.  Well, we're sitting at the member/family dinner the night before the induction and everyone is in a wonderful mood.  One of my great thrills was sitting with Buck O-Neil that night.  Anyway, Schmidt comes over and gets a whole lot of autographs from my f-i-l for his family--he forgot to get mine.  There are no autographs allowed at the hotel during the weekend, but obviously this was different.  Anyway, we have two boys so my wife, who knows Schmidt and his wife, went over to his table afterwards to get some things signed.  Well, like a cat...one with a huge arse and short legs, Howard jumps in to block my wife from Schmidt's table.   He lays hands on her and says in a very harsh tone that there are no autographs allowed in the hotel and she shouldn't bother Mr. Schmidt during the dinner.  Well my wife doesn't know who in the world this jackass is and replies that she has no idea who he is but he had better take his hands off her and that the dinner is for members and their families only and he better get the heck out of her way before she called security. 

We hear the disturbance as Schmidt's table is right next to ours.  My f-i-l turns around and sees Howeird and says he's been meaning to talk to him.   Howeird comes over happy as can be.  My f-i-l said to him that his shorts needed ironing and that after he was done ironing Mike Schmidt's knickers, would he mind coming over to his room and do the same.  Well, Howeird's face went from smile to dispair.  My f-i-l, who very rarely got angry, stood up and said to Howeird that if he ever talked his daughter that way again, he would regret being so rude.  Howeird left the room with his fat tail between his short stubby legs.  I was glad to see him put in his place, out of the company of us all.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2008, 07:25:00 AM by Wayne Morrison »

TEPaul

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2008, 07:42:44 AM »
Wayno:

Cool story about your father in law laying into Erskin, but in my opinion, it sounds like Sue probably did about all that was needed to put him in his place. Too bad you didn't get a video/audio of that encounter---I'd very much like to have seen it. I realize this is basically a world-wide family website and so later you can recount to me the blue profanity streak she laid on Erskin. I bet I know the letter most of them began with.

wsmorrison

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2008, 07:49:39 AM »
Tom,

Same ones she uses on me on a daily basis  ;D

Joe Bausch

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2008, 08:29:45 AM »
In that same issue of GolfStylesPhiladelphia are "10 Par 4s You Probably Can't Reach in Two".  Here are those author Tom Kerrane writes about:

No. 15 at Aronimink (497 yards)
No. 5 at Bulle Rock (483 yards)
No. 13 at Commonwealth (476 yards)
No. 5 at Merion East (504 yards)
No. 18 at Merion East (505 yards)
No. 9 at Philly Cricket (465 yards)
No. 14 at Philmont North (495 yards)
No. 13 at Pine Valley (486 yards)
No. 14 at Rivercrest (486 yards)
No. 2 at Running Deer (491 yards)
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2008, 02:18:29 PM »
I love the promo that XM radio is playing to promote their MLB package.  In it, they're talking to Mike Schmidt, and Schmidt mentions "Do you know this guy Howard Eskin?  The guy that looks like the Burger King!"

First time I heard it, I couldn't stop laughing, because Schmidt is SO right!

(By the way, I used to work in Nike's Mike Schmidt building)

Bill Hagel

Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2008, 03:39:45 PM »
Wayne

I had no idea Richie Ashburn was your Father-in-Law.  One of the most beloved - if not THE most beloved - sports figure in Philadelphia - ever.  THAT is quite an accomplishment.

Back OT - Apparently Downingtown CC was spared last year as the I think the Township fought the owner (who wanted to put up Townhouses and reduce DCC to a 9 holer) on the lease agreement to keep the land as a golf course ad infinitum; at least thats what the bartender at DCC told me.

Good save - I really enjoy Downingtown.

Dan Herrmann

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2008, 03:50:03 PM »
Bill, a little more info on Downingtown, an early Fazio design.

The ownership wanted to put up retirement housing on 9 holes, and leave 9 open.  City council was in favor of the move, seeing how it would increase tax revenue.

Citizens caught wind of it, protested, and won.  Open space out there is becoming quite scarce, and they fought for keeping the area open.  There was also a secondary issue of the large number of 55+ communities being built in Chester County - folks worried that we've being overbuilt with these communities.

Tim Nugent

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2008, 04:36:16 PM »
Dan, most governments love the 55+ empty-nester develpments. They figure that they will pay taxes but not put any burden on the school system.

The article on the 10 par's you can't reach in 2 looks like a list of par 5's since most are over 470 yds.  Maybe a new thread on should the distance for a par 5 be increased?  If memory serves correct, wasn't a par 5 once 450?
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2008, 04:40:35 PM »
Tim, you're 100% correct on the city loving the tax benefits.  I promise you that they weren't happy with the outcome.

Tim Nugent

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2008, 04:46:56 PM »
Dan, what was the problematic outcome?
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2008, 07:34:19 PM »
Tim - The outcome was negative for the city and the school district, who wanted the retirement homes for the tax $$$.  The citizens wanted open space, even though it's tucked behind Wegmans. 

The owner, who also owns French Creek is a great guy and community leader.  No way he was trying to pull a fast one.   

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: golf course closings in Philly: is Ashbourne the first of many? New
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2008, 09:00:56 PM »
Ashbourne was a case study in what happens when a club's membership gets old. The older members were content to play gin and did nothing to recruit new members. Then Philmont raided the club of whatever younger members they had. The members then  sold the club to Matrix Hospitality, the owners of Commonwealth National, while retaining playing privileges. Matrix operated the course as an annual fee club while preparing to develop mid-rise condos on a portion of the site. That never materialized. As a historical note, Ashbourne was the second "Jewish club" in the area, having been been founded around 1915, almost 10 years later than Philmont.
My guess is that nearby Melrose, already semi-private, might be the next to go.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2008, 11:57:25 AM by Steve_ Shaffer »
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