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Sean_A

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The Winter Tour of England continued on this bleak and blustery day.  I spose I can count my blessings as it didn't rain. 

New Zealand is one of those clubs that some may have heard of, but is still a bit obscure.  Its mainly a T Simpson design using many corridors created by M Ferguson.  The land is generally flat and the heather keeps the golfer honest.  That isn't to say that NZ would be a terribly easy with its 6100 yards against a par of 68.  In the classic British tradition - the course plays longer than the card suggests.  The overwhelming impression I walked away with is that the bunkering is at least the equal of any other heathland course I know of.  There are plenty of centreline bunkers, bunkers running the length rather than the width of the fairway, bunkers well short of greens to create dead ground and menace recovery from the heather, and bunkers concealed by heather. 

I also walked away very curious as to why the last six holes seemed so much better than the first twelve even though the land was similar. 

#2 The heather pinches in at about 250.


The first example of terrific bunkering.


The 4th is the first hole the player gets a chance to open the shoulders.  The green is slightly odd iin that its quite small and it can't be seen from the landing zone - but the pin stands proud.  It reminds me of playing to a temporary green because its difficult to know how far to hit the second.


An attractive aspect of New Zealand is that there are two starting points.  The 5th takes the player right passed the strangely attractive clubhouse. 


The 6th is one of the half dozen or so par 4s that can play very long especially into the prevailing wind.  The heather which cuts in on the right conceals a bunker.


A pic of another wonderful bunker.  This wasn't reachable today, but the placement of the bunkers ensures that in the right weather conditions the bunkering which is in play alters.


The 7th is a cracking long par 3 made more impressive because the land used is very ho-hum.  The left and right bunkers create all the interest necessary.  No matter where the hole located, one or the other bunker comes into play.  The right bunker has the added appeal of acting as a greenside bunker for #13.  There must be 30 yards or a shade more from the left bunker to the flag.


The course continues to amble along with solid holes, but nothing which really grabs your attention until the 12th.  Suddenly, a fairway is offset from the tee and you sense that archietecture has just been kicked up a few notches.


While it is difficult to tell from the photo, this green has more interest than the previous greens, but it still in keeping.  There is plenty of room left to run a a shot in, but err too much away from the front bunker and heather awaits.  Get too aggressive and lose it right, another heather pit awaits.


A closer look at this simplified reverse Road Hole like green area.


The 13th has a deceptively difficult to carry centreline bunker with a sneaky bunker mate tucked behind it.  The holes can't be more than 320 yards, but into the wind its a sucker play to take on the bunker.


14th is the sole par 5 and it is reachable.  However, the green isn't receptive as it fallsaway from the front.  There is a hidden bunker on the right which can be carried, but not to great advantage as there is a bunker short of the green which must be carried for the bold palyer.

 
 
The view of the lovely right side bunker.


The 15th is unusual in that without warning a cross bunker is suddenly on the horizon. 


Some bold contouring for the greens continue with the crazy wing on the back left of the green.  Its well designed to make the guy avoiding the front right bunker have to risk a 3 putt.


The 16th a cool little par 3.  There is more room up front then it appears, but there is alos bunkering awaiting the slightly underhit shot.



Bold design does not let up with the last two holes.  The 17th is a layup, severe dogleg left.  The further one gets to the outside of the leg the worse the angle to the green.  One must challenge the inside corner for the angle or the approach looks like this - very little chance to get the ball to the back tier.  The green also has two more awesome bunkers protecting each side.  The left one is buried in the heather.
 


The right bunker is far more severe than it appears from the fairway and the left one is still hidden.


The 18th is another featureless drive with the interest created solely by the angle of the fairway.  It is quite easy to lose the ball right into the trees.


One more than on occasion a swale is used to great effect like the one short of the 18th green.  In fact, the combo of the swale with the pimple on the green is more than enough challenge to put a smile on any golfer.


A closer look.


Ciao
« Last Edit: February 24, 2008, 04:59:28 AM by Sean Arble »
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Mark Bourgeois

Re: New Zealand GC
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2008, 08:01:14 PM »
Very low key club.  I think for a while they practiced the Augusta model and simply divided annual expenses by number of members and sent out a bill -- is that a thatch roof on the clubhouse?

Peter Pallotta

Re: New Zealand GC
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2008, 08:46:17 PM »
Once again, Sean, my thanks for posting pictures/comments on all these wonderful and lesser-known (to me at least) courses. Time and again, I mention that what they all seem to have in common is that they're comfortable in their own skins, and all of one piece. This time another description occured to me - they're simply elegant.  I can see or sense the strategies and options and challenges the designs present, but somehow none of that seems forced, or even unduly appararent or obvious. I'm not describing it well. These courses seem happy (and their designers must've been happy) to let golfers have the freedom to "get them" or not, to appreciate them or not, to understand them or not; the courses just exist there, unperturbed in any event. They seem quite sophisticated in that way, is I guess what I'm trying to say.

Peter 

Sean_A

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Re: New Zealand GC
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2008, 08:59:48 PM »
Once again, Sean, my thanks for posting pictures/comments on all these wonderful and lesser-known (to me at least) courses. Time and again, I mention that what they all seem to have in common is that they're comfortable in their own skins, and all of one piece. This time another description occured to me - they're simply elegant.  I can see or sense the strategies and options and challenges the designs present, but somehow none of that seems forced, or even unduly appararent or obvious. I'm not describing it well. These courses seem happy (and their designers must've been happy) to let golfers have the freedom to "get them" or not, to appreciate them or not, to understand them or not; the courses just exist there, unperturbed in any event. They seem quite sophisticated in that way, is I guess what I'm trying to say.

Peter 

Peter

I know exactly what you mean.  While I don't claim New Zealand to be the pinnacle of heathland design, it couldn't be said that the course isn't loaded with strategy and its not the sort of strategy that jumps up and down for attention.  Of course, its easier to see how the pieces of the puzzle work when the course is keen, yet all is still evident for those who care to look.  I can easily see New Zealand being dismissed, but I think this to be a terrible mistake.  A good day's golf can be had and for the most part its king's golf.  On a weekend morning with a society on the course we breezed around in in 3.5 hours even after some lengthy waits to start the round. 

Still, I would like to know why the last six holes hit me much more than most of the previous holes.  Its almost like a light switched on in the archie's head.

Ciao
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

Joe Hancock

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2008, 09:08:11 PM »
Sean,

A quick bunker question: You say the right side bunker on #14 ( I think...you didn't really identify it) is a lovely bunker. Yet, I see a bunker that has to be reached via air vs. ground for it to be effective. Is that the case? Is that in line with what you usually say about your tastes in bunkers?

It's just a picture, so I don't really know if this is the case.

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

ed_getka

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2008, 01:45:51 AM »
Sean,
   Thanks for sharing. I really need to move over there.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2008, 01:58:40 AM »
Sean,

You say you can "easy see NZ being dismissed, but I think this is to be a terrible mistake". My one comment on this is that the members, and there aren't hundreds of them, are clearly very happy with what they've got and do not want changes. I agree from a GCA viewpoint there are better heathland courses but from a fun day out / could I be a member playing this course week in week out it's a real gem. For our US friends visiting London a day at NZ would be a day to remember.

Maybe you know who could publish a couple of pictures of the wonderful locker room??

Chappers
Cave Nil Vino

paul cowley

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2008, 03:37:13 AM »
Sean.....great energizing stuff....as always...but now I'm a tad confused by the intro....Are you a Yank or a Brit?.....or a Global Hybrid? ;) :)

ps....I don't like these new fangled emoticons...they are too round, bold and weird looking.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Sean_A

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2008, 05:26:50 AM »
Sean,

A quick bunker question: You say the right side bunker on #14 ( I think...you didn't really identify it) is a lovely bunker. Yet, I see a bunker that has to be reached via air vs. ground for it to be effective. Is that the case? Is that in line with what you usually say about your tastes in bunkers?

It's just a picture, so I don't really know if this is the case.

Joe

Crazy Joe

Yes, I generally prefer gathering bunkers, but I also admire deception.  This is one of the great characteristics of the New Zealand bunkers.  Many are hidden, but in view and many are much larger than they appear from a distance.  Unfortunately, I feel that deceptive architecture is  slowly being eliminated because its out of fashion and there are measuring devices available (which really do no favours so far as enjoying architecture goes) to negate visual miscues that archies design. 

Mark

You are right, the changing room is very cool - in fact the clubhouse is very comfortable - though there is no proper ale behind the bar (heavy sigh).  I like how the names of those who have fallen off the twig have a line running through them.  Judging by the length of some of the lists it would seem there are some lockers which seem to hasten the long drop.   

Paul

I swore allegiance to the Queen and her heirs so I spose that makes me a hybrid.  Though I very much feel like a Yank living on a wee island.

Ciao
« Last Edit: February 24, 2008, 06:22:54 AM by Sean Arble »
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

Joe Hancock

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2008, 06:18:59 AM »
Sean,

Thanks for your answer. I appreciate the pictures and I like the stle and appearance of these bunkers a lot.

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

JMorgan

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2008, 07:48:55 AM »
Thanks for posting the pics, Sean.  The bunkers appear as "tears" in the earth to me, as if the surface was gently tugged or pulled apart, which makes them appear very natural.  I echo what Peter said about the course feeling comfortable in its skin -- no imposition of will onto it.  (And for whatever it means, Woking came to mind, though I'm sure a side-by-side comparison might negate that thought.)

Sean_A

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2008, 07:58:56 AM »
Thanks for posting the pics, Sean.  The bunkers appear as "tears" in the earth to me, as if the surface was gently tugged or pulled apart, which makes them appear very natural.  I echo what Peter said about the course feeling comfortable in its skin -- no imposition of will onto it.  (And for whatever it means, Woking came to mind, though I'm sure a side-by-side comparison might negate that thought.)

J

Its interesting that you mention Woking.  Generally speaking Woking is blessed with better topography than New Zealand and this may be part of the reason why Woking has such interesting greens.  However, looking at the last picture one could be excused for believing this is a recovery shot at Woking. 

Ciao
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2008, 08:38:58 AM »
Thanks for posting these photos, Sean. I've long been curious about New Zealand. The course looks like "my cup of tea". That's for sure.
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Dean Stokes

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2008, 10:48:52 AM »
Sean, great photos. Where abouts is the course? I do miss that look of the brown heather offset again the rest of the course. Can anyone tell me if there are courses in the States that look or feel similar to the way NZ looks? I would like to find and play some tree lined courses that look like this. Thankyou.
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Andrew Mitchell

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2008, 12:00:28 PM »
Great photos as ever.

I'm very envious of your heathland winter tour.  Just back from a round at my very sodden clay based course.  Winter mats for tees, balls plugging on the fairways and in the rough, bumpy greens etc etc
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

Sean_A

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2008, 03:33:46 PM »
Great photos as ever.

I'm very envious of your heathland winter tour.  Just back from a round at my very sodden clay based course.  Winter mats for tees, balls plugging on the fairways and in the rough, bumpy greens etc etc

Andrew

It hasn't all been heathland courses, I did have a very fine day at Formby and several at Burnham.  I know they still have a deal going on at Formby.  I would be keen to head up again for the deal - if somebody else arranges it - hint, hint.  Or I might consider heading over to Notts for a winter rate game - if ...  February has been quite mild so many heathland/moorland courses stand a good chance to be in fine nick. 

Ciao
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

Mark Chaplin

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2008, 04:42:09 PM »
Imagine waiting 10 years for membership at NZ only to be allocated the locker with the longest list of names above yours!!
Cave Nil Vino

Andrew Mitchell

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Re: New Zealand GC - The Yank Does Like Bunkering - Proper Bunkering
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2008, 08:20:25 AM »
Great photos as ever.

I'm very envious of your heathland winter tour.  Just back from a round at my very sodden clay based course.  Winter mats for tees, balls plugging on the fairways and in the rough, bumpy greens etc etc

Andrew

It hasn't all been heathland courses, I did have a very fine day at Formby and several at Burnham.  I know they still have a deal going on at Formby.  I would be keen to head up again for the deal - if somebody else arranges it - hint, hint.  Or I might consider heading over to Notts for a winter rate game - if ...  February has been quite mild so many heathland/moorland courses stand a good chance to be in fine nick. 

Ciao

Sean

You knew that would tempt me didn't you ;D

What's the deal you refer to at Formby?  I've been on their website and couldn't spot anything.
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc