Bandon Dunes Trip Feb 8-11, Looking For One Golfer

[John Kavanaugh]

Huck,

I offered an olive branch by saying that I would be happy to meet Joe for drinks and offer my advice on rudeness. If Joe hadn't pissed me off over Bandon Crossings then I doubt if I would have decided to go.  If Joe didn't get the joke then he won't now.  I don't want a caddie as I am looking at this trip as a chance to play poker, lose some weight, play a bit of golf at someplace I already know is great and see Bandon Crossings for myself.  You should call Bandon Crossings and pay for my greenfee on Feb 8th if you want to do some good.

If Joe wants to find me it will not be difficult.  Our tee times are posted and I'm the fat one.

[Tom Huckaby]

JK:

Paying your green fee would accomplish no peace nor reconcilation.  The Fund's aims are very specific.

And I hope you are trying to be funny when you said your offer was an olive branch.

It would seem the Fund has its work cut out for it.  Donations will be accepted from others.

TH

[J Sadowsky]

Gee John, you really are a master of reading people.  Joe doesn't want to caddie for you - ya think?

 

That's why it's up to you to offer the olive branch, and I am giving you financial incentive to do so.  That's what the Peacemaking Fund is all about:  bringing peace where a little push is needed.

And I again offer thanks to Tim Bert for the better idea.  The Fund is in its infancy and needs this kind of help.  A place on the Board is yours if you want it, Tim.

TH

We should send you to the Middle East.  Maybe we can turn the Golan Heights into a golf resort :-D.

[John Kavanaugh]

Joe,

I've decided that when I get home I am going to contact the parties involved and see if I can get the logistics worked out and take the spot myself.  I hope we can get together and discuss your ignorance over a drink.

With the best intentions,

John

What is not funny about telling someone that you hope you can get together and discuss their ignorance over a drink?  Do you idiots need to be told even when to laugh?

[Tom Huckaby]

OK John, yes that was pretty funny.  But man I never know with you... you make a lot of wacky statements in here. I swear part of me thought you meant that seriously.

The golf world awaits your actions in Oregon.  The Fund's offers still stand.

 

And thanks, Justin.  Big changes do start with baby steps.  

[Craig Van Egmond]

If I went to Bandon every year, I might sneak away to play Bandon Crossing just to check it out. But if this is my one trip, theres no freaking way I would leave the resort, especially if its only $25.00 difference.  No way.

[Mike Hendren]

Give me a break, Shivas.  Only George Jones has no-showed more than you.

                           
Mike

[John Kavanaugh]

I love how John's all over the place.  His refusal to comment on either the greens fee aspect of Crossings vs. the resort or his faith in an ever changing weather forecast shows just how wacky and out for confrontation this guy really is.

First of all it is not a $25 dollar difference to play at Bandon Crossing.  Even with our stay at the resort rate the fee at Bandon is $90, that is if we can get it on the day of check in and check out both.  The rate at Bandon Crossing is $45.  If you take a cart at Crossing it is $18 extra but that is not mandatory.

I am one of the finest weather forecasters who has ever lived.  I say it will be nice so I believe it and even offered an even money bet that no one took up.  Who doesn't have faith here.  What more can I do to prove my beliefs than buy a ticket and book the trip.

I have heard for years that I hide behind the internet and am so much different in person.  This is not the first time I have offered to meet with someone with whom I disagree.

Looks like I am open for an afternoon round at Pacific on Monday if anyone wants to join me.  Why not come out for a round of golf...I'll even hit off of the employee astroturf if it makes it a fair game.

Shivas,

It just started to snow and doesn't look good.

[Kalen Braley]

I'm really surprised at some of the comments as it pertains to sticking to known entities. Isn't a big part of this site supposed to be around the exercise of finding new courses and adventures?

I think most here know the Bandon resort is a one of a kind place, and its a pain to get to.  But if you make it all the way there, and you're on a 3-4 day trip, why wouldn't you want to squeeze 4 hours out of one day to go take a look at a different course that has gotten plenty of good reviews by folks in here. If it was a dog patch, that would be one thing, but after having seen several of the photos, its looks like there is some good stuff out there.

Here's to hoping the spirit of adventurism thrives within us.

[John Kavanaugh]

Like I said above. I'm going so I can play the Bandon resort courses and so I can see Crossings.  There is zero chance I would be going on this trip if it wasn't for Crossings.

[J Sadowsky]

Just to throw my .02, if I went (hopefully next year, if I am invited!) I would be happy playing whatever schedule the rest of the group had put together.  Either way you are playing a bunch of excellent courses, and getting to spend time with good company who both enjoy golf and are knowledgable about the game.

I think the trip would be equally enjoyable with a second round on PD or BD or another round on BC - I'm sure either way I'd learn alot about golf architecture, and other things as well.

[Kalen Braley]

Hey john,

I'll take you up on your bet for friday the 8th.  $45 seems reasonable to me.

And the bet is, it won't rain 1 drop from 12:00 PM Midnght to 11:59 on Friday the 8th correct?  I'm saying you'll at least get a shower or two come thru.

Just want to make sure we get the details nailed down  

[John Kavanaugh]

Hey john,

I'll take you up on your bet for friday the 8th.  $45 seems reasonable to me.

And the bet is, it won't rain 1 drop from 12:00 PM Midnght to 11:59 on Friday the 8th correct?  I'm saying you'll at least get a shower or two come thru.

Just want to make sure we get the details nailed down  

I offered the bet to you last night.  You should have acted sooner.  I have a large enough bet now that I am going.

[Michael Dugger]

Coming to Bandon and playing the Crossings is like going to Disneyworld and sitting in your room playing video games.  Enjoy your round at the Crossings, John.  And save yourself the 18 bucks on the cart and walk.  I look forward to your bloated evaluation of the place once you get home.  I have an idea, why don't you forgo the resort entirely? Play the Crossings, Face Rock, Coos CC and Kentuck.  Or you could head a little south and take in Cedar Bend and Salmon Run.  It would be hard to pick my favorite out of that impressive list, but if pinned down I'd say Cedar Bend.  Double pins and 100's of live Geckos on the greens make for a one of a kind experience...not to mention the surely lady at the counter that threatens to lock you in if you don't finish by 4:30.

Joe,

For starters, I could give two *(&$^ about your beef with John, he can be an ass and I understand why you feel the way you do about him.

But I can't really say I appreciate how you're treating Crossings.  Comparing it to Face Rock and Kentuck is a cheap shot.  I would probably play Crossings more than Pumpkin Ridge if it was here in my hometown, I think that much of it.

As someone who loves seeing another new example of the artform, there is plenty of justification for a side trip to Crossings for a fanatic of golf course architecture.

I've been to Bandon tons, I live in PDX.  Probably played Pacific 20 times by now, and BD and Trails 10 or so.  Surely they are great courses.  Tons of fun, awesome, dope...the shiznit, for you youngsters.

But upon my last trip what I most looked forward to was checking out Crossings, purely for the reason of its' newness.

Playing Crossings is not like going to Disneyland and sitting in your room playing video games.  It's like visiting Southern California and going to Knotts Berry Farm, in lieu of Disneyland.  It's still a great time.

To complete the analogy.   Face Rock and Kentuck are like those portable amusement parks they set up in parking lots.

[John Kavanaugh]

Coming to Bandon and playing the Crossings is like going to Disneyworld and sitting in your room playing video games.  Enjoy your round at the Crossings, John.  And save yourself the 18 bucks on the cart and walk.  I look forward to your bloated evaluation of the place once you get home.  I have an idea, why don't you forgo the resort entirely? Play the Crossings, Face Rock, Coos CC and Kentuck.  Or you could head a little south and take in Cedar Bend and Salmon Run.  It would be hard to pick my favorite out of that impressive list, but if pinned down I'd say Cedar Bend.  Double pins and 100's of live Geckos on the greens make for a one of a kind experience...not to mention the surely lady at the counter that threatens to lock you in if you don't finish by 4:30.

That sounds like fun.  I am staying at the Mill casino on Thursday night and they offered a package with Coos but I figured I already had enough golf for one trip.  I have played poker in over 100 rooms since 06 and do not remember a better game of Hold'em than at Coos.  Come up and see me....I'll be the fat guy.

[John Kavanaugh]

What really reveals itself on this thread is when another poster said he would go to Bandon when IV was done.  Golf already has more than enough of that attitude.

[J Sadowsky]

Aw man, golf and poker - its better than Vegas!

Actually, Biloxi is really not bad for golf and poker.  

[John Kavanaugh]

LA is the best town in the world for golf and poker.  Bandon is top ten.  

[John Kirk]

I spent a day at Bandon Crossings with my wife last fall.  We had a terrific time.  Big JK, Bandon Crossings is well worth seeing, and especially in the light of someone so strenuously offering a negative opinion, you will certainly have a great time.

Bandon Crossings is extremely interesting from an architectural standpoint.  The architect, Dan Hixson, is a longtime Oregon PGA professional who just recently hung his architect shingle, and this is his first complete design and build effort.  It is a family golf club, owned and operated by a doctor and his wife.  It's a very interesting piece of property, an 340 acre ranch with two wide waterways dividing the course into two parts.  The course shows Hixson's minimalist approach.  The 5 par 3s are excellent.  It is beautiful, secluded, and unique.  It will never challenge the three Bandon Dunes resort courses on Golfweek's top 100, but it is a wonderful place.

I do not doubt that it will be wet, especially in the "bottomlands", where the 5th and 14th greens are.  Don't let that deter you.

Best,

Not as big JK

[Kalen Braley]

Hey john,

I'll take you up on your bet for friday the 8th.  $45 seems reasonable to me.

And the bet is, it won't rain 1 drop from 12:00 PM Midnght to 11:59 on Friday the 8th correct?  I'm saying you'll at least get a shower or two come thru.

Just want to make sure we get the details nailed down  

I offered the bet to you last night.  You should have acted sooner.  I have a large enough bet now that I am going.

Ahh come on John....whats a measly $45 to a guy like you who will blow that in one hand of texas hold em.  I'm still game if you are...

[Norbert P]

 John Kav, Is there some kind of golf gambling game that might involve cards in a poker playing fashion? Perhaps, when you take a skin you get to draw a card, then by the end of the round you see who has the best hand.  Well, you can work on the details.  

  Remember also that all but #5 (par 5) green and #14 green @ Crossings is built on sand hills, so if the weather is letting loose, you won't be in chocolate cake.  #5 (par 4 green) will probably be in use.  
  Please go and take some winter pictures.

  Wish I could make it. Any festivities of bad behaviour happening in Portland prior to Bandon departure?  We can practice the GCA secret handshake.

[Mark Smolens]

Par 3 poker.  Everybody puts in $X and gets four cards no matter what happens on the course.  Then, for every par 3 you hit in regulation you get another card.

[Andy Troeger]

What really reveals itself on this thread is when another poster said he would go to Bandon when IV was done.  Golf already has more than enough of that attitude.

JK,
The odds of me ever becoming an annual Bandon visitor aren't too strong, so if I'm only going to go once in the next 5-10 years I might as well not go the year before they open another course. That's my reality, good for you that you're capable of getting there on 10 days notice.

[Michael Dugger]

Joe,

For starters, I could give two *(&$^ about your beef with John, he can be an ass and I understand why you feel the way you do about him.

But I can't really say I appreciate how you're treating Crossings.  Comparing it to Face Rock and Kentuck is a cheap shot.  I would probably play Crossings more than Pumpkin Ridge if it was here in my hometown, I think that much of it.

As someone who loves seeing another new example of the artform, there is plenty of justification for a side trip to Crossings for a fanatic of golf course architecture.

I've been to Bandon tons, I live in PDX.  Probably played Pacific 20 times by now, and BD and Trails 10 or so.  Surely they are great courses.  Tons of fun, awesome, dope...the shiznit, for you youngsters.

But upon my last trip what I most looked forward to was checking out Crossings, purely for the reason of its' newness.

Playing Crossings is not like going to Disneyland and sitting in your room playing video games.  It's like visiting Southern California and going to Knotts Berry Farm, in lieu of Disneyland.  It's still a great time.

To complete the analogy.   Face Rock and Kentuck are like those portable amusement parks they set up in parking lots.

Michael--
I think you missed my point.  Crossings belongs in the same sentence as the courses I mentioned, not grouped with the three resort courses.  I'm not sure there can be much argument on this, three are unique and world class (I'm not asking ANYONE to take MY word on this) and the other is run of the mill cart golf that can be found anywhere, sorry but there is nothing special about the Crossings.  As far as Crossings vs. Ghost Creek or Witch Hollow, please pass whatever your smoking.  The more I converse with folks on here the more and more I find how little most Americans value the walking aspect of golf.  Its the point people!!!!

Kalen--
Johns predictably gotten timid about the weather bet because the forecast has changed.

No, Joe, I got you loud and clear the first time, and I humbly disagree.

Crossings can be walked, surely it's not the worst walking course in the world.  Hell, as a caddy I'd think you would be a little tougher.  I'd like to see the pedometer stats on Crossings vs Trails.  Trails is far from a leisurely little jaunt through the woods, dog.

Again, why you being such an a-hole to the Crossings folks?  What did they ever do to you?  

 

[Garland Bayley]

...Crossings strikes me as a cart only layout.
...

Joe,

Let me make one thing perfectly clear. There is no such thing as a cart only layout.

If it can be golfed, it can be walked.

I was just making a joke when I first mentioned your conflict of interest, but now I am beginning to get concerned.