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cary lichtenstein

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San Diego Courses
« on: January 15, 2008, 05:16:45 PM »
We have time for 1 or 2 rounds in or around San Diego and then head to Palm Desert for a few days.

We have played:

Torrey Pines
Aviara
LaCosta
Oak Valley

What are the 2 best in the area? 1 could be on the way to Palm Desert. Thanks in advance.
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Tom Huckaby

Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 05:22:33 PM »
Cary - I make no attempt to discern the two best in the area, but I will recommend these as worth playing:  

1.  Barona Creek, which could be said to be on the way to Palm Desert. It's been discussed in here many times.  Pricey now, but a damn good course.

2.  For a keep a good sense of humor, enjoy the weirdness, wash your hands afterward good fun round, I'd also recommend The Crossings at Carlsbad.  There are architectural marvels there in terms of routing a course under huge amounts of environmental and regulatory duress, as well as a lot of fun shots to be played.  I did a thread on this after Thanksgiving.

We have a few locals participating here though, and they ought to be able to make more recommendations.  But play these two and you won't be bored.

TH
« Last Edit: January 15, 2008, 05:22:54 PM by Tom Huckaby »

Matt_Ward

Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 05:24:05 PM »
Cary:

You'll need to play Barona Creek.

If you're heading to Palm Desert you might also take a peak at going through Borrega Springs - neat old town that is today what Palm Springs used to be.

There's also a fine little course in Hemet worth checking out. Can't think of the name right now -- senior moment no doubt.

Both options won't cost you a second mortgage to play.

By the way once you get to Palm Desert you should play Desert Willow -- the Firecliff layout is one of the best golf options in the Valley area for both layout and cost IMHO.

Mark Bourgeois

Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 05:34:10 PM »
I would take the money and spend it on 100 fish tacos.

Tom Huckaby

Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 05:36:12 PM »
I would take the money and spend it on 100 fish tacos.

Not a bad idea also, particularly for one from out of the area.  It is a joy of my life that they have a few Rubio's now in Northern California.  I know, these aren't the BEST fish tacos, but they are a decent facsimile thereof.

 ;D

Michael Christensen

Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 06:41:07 PM »
Rancho Santa Fe Golf Club........everything else is 2nd

Pete Lavallee

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 06:52:01 PM »
Cary,

Barona Creek and Rancho Santa Fe CC are by far the best 2 courses in the area. Here is a list of what else remains:

Where to play in San Diego?


Resorts:

Barona Creek     619-387-7018
     This is the must play course in the San Diego area. Just a 30 minute drive from downtown, Todd Eckenrode’s creation in Wild Cat Canyon offers a thrill for every class of golfer. The course features strategic bunkering, scattered at different distances, through the wide fairways. Firm and fast conditions put a premium on attacking from the correct angles to the highly contoured greens. Hotel and Casino on site.

Torrey Pines     (reservations) 619-570-1234
     South:  The host for the 2008 US Open is set up as a test of the modern game. Even from the white tees (6,880) this course plays long. Rees improved the 3 holes he moved to the canyon’s edge (3, 4&14) but 18 double plateau greens are a bit repetitive. Greens still need work to justify the $100-$125 rate
     North The proposed redesign has been postponed, here’s your chance to play what could be William Francis Bell’s best work. Better use of terrain, nicely contoured set of pushup greens, surely the more scenic of the two courses.
     Golfers can show up as early as they want to line up for the morning’s first hour of tee times (cars line up in the parking lot on weekends, during the week you place your golf bag in line in front of the starters booth on the balcony); singles stand a decent chance of getting off through the waiting list in the afternoon.

Carlton Oaks     619-448-4500
     This Perry Dye redesign has all the “dye-abolical” trademarks: waste areas, pot bunkers, bulk headed water hazards and many greens that slope away in the back. At 7,225 75.2/146from the tips it’s definitely the second toughest layout in the County. Lots of fun from the blue or white tees though. Hotel on site.

La Costa     760-438-9111
     Fans of Dick Wilson will enjoy the artistry of the bunkering on the original tournament course. The bad news is it has been split into the South, with 9 holes shoehorned in by Wilson and the North with its’ additional 9 holes on ample ground with good movement across the street, done by Joe Lee. Unfortunately neither nines are a match for the original work. Sometimes the Resort will let the first group off the North actually play the tournament course, so long as they can beat the first group off the South to the back 9.

Warner Springs Ranch     760-782-4270
     High desert course is both scenic and challenging. The remote atmosphere makes this course special; resort rooms have no TV or phones! Little over an hour from downtown but very close to Barona.


Municipal:

Coronado     619-435-3121
     Jack Daray designed San Diego’s “Hidden Gem”, built on fill dredged from the harbor in the 50’s, it has 4 holes that play along Glorietta Bay, subtle doglegs test driving ability, the pushup greens punish poor iron play, wind is often a factor. At $25/day for everyone it’s the best deal in town.

Balboa Park     (reservations)  619-570-1234
     Built in 1918 by William Park Bell, this short (6,281) trip out through the canyons and back across the mesa has remained a tough track to score on. Sam Snead’s course record 60, shot here while in the Navy in WWII, still stands. Views of downtown and the Coronado Islands, walkups should have no trouble playing here.

Encinitas Ranch     760-944-1936
     Located ten minutes north of Torrey Pines and five minutes south of Legoland this is an enjoyable and reasonably priced daily fee course. Wide open front nine is complemented by the canyons on the back. Built on the site of a former flower ranch, conditions are usually good.

CCFAD’s:

Maderas CC     858-451-8100
     Built on a hilly site this course promises the thrilling downhill holes off the bat, the key here is how much fun the uphill holes are. Neal Meagher’s perfect mix off unique green sites are worth the price of admission alone. Soon to go private when enough memberships are sold.

The Grand at Del Mar     858-792-6200
     The only Fazio course in San Diego County; All golfers really want is a thrill; this course comes up short here. Very playable and takes a great picture, but the tea cups at Disney Land are more exciting than this place. Must stay at the Resort to play here.

Salt Creek (formerly The Auld Course)     619-482-4666
     Although built to sell houses you would find it hard to hit one from the golf course. Die hard walkers beware, you must ride here. Cary Bickler and John Cook have crafted some fine holes here, well worth a look if your in the South Bay area.

Privates:

Rancho Santa Fe CC
     Don’t pass up an opportunity to play here. Max Behr’s 1929 layout got the highest Doak rating in San Diego County (5).

La Jolla CC
     Canyon golf at its best from William Park Bell, built in 1927.

San Diego CC
     Another William Park Bell layout with several barrancas was built in 1921. The redesigned greens seem unsympathetic to the Bell style.

Tijuana CC
     The course claims a MacKenzie heritage, but it sure looks like a William Park Bell to me; possibly during his relationship with Tillinghast. Close enough to the border to take the trolley down and hop in a cab for the short journey to the golf course; public access allowed.

Pauma Valley
     The only Robert Trent Jones course in San Diego County is in the high desert just past Barona; once rated within the top 20 in Ca.

Military:

Marine Memorial   GC, Camp Pendleton     760-725-4704
     Set within the expansive Marine base this course by William Francis Bell occupies a peaceful and secluded river valley 50 minutes from downtown. Somewhat shaggy conditioning here doesn’t detract from the enjoyment.

Miramar, Memorial GC     858-577-4155
     Jack Daray shows how to turn a flat parcel of land into an interesting golf course at the old Top Gun base. Now a Marine Corp Air Station it has some of the best conditioned greens in the County; wind and FA-18’s are always a factor here.

Sea & Air GC     619-545-9659
      Located on North Island Naval Air Station it is a tale of two nines, the front is cramped with many parallel holes, not much to write home about. However the back nine’s holes are wonderfully separated with 3 playing along the sand dunes right along the beach. The runway splits the back nine and you’ll have an opportunity to see many types of Military Aircraft practicing their touch and goes.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2008, 09:00:53 PM by Pete Lavallee »
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Patrick Kiser

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 08:46:46 PM »
For the money and GCA, I took a liking to San Clemente Muni.

Clubhouse should be done now as well.

Perhaps a little out of your way though.
 
Thanks to David Stamm for that recommendation.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2008, 08:48:40 PM by Patrick Kiser »
“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Matt_Cohn

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 08:58:06 PM »
Really, San Diego must be the most questioned-about city on this entire website. Second place...maybe Atlanta?

Duane Sharpe

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2008, 10:07:49 PM »
After playing 5 courses in the area last year, I will have to second the motion to visit Barona Creek. I was very impressed with the course, the conditioning and the customer service.
It played very tough from 6400 yards because of the speed of the greens and the very tough contours they provide.
I LOVED IT and recommend it to everyone I know visiting the area. I think it is around $120 or so. Well worth it.
Sharpee

Patrick Kiser

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2008, 10:21:19 PM »
Matt,

No question that it's a wasteland.  Maybe not quite southern FL wasteland, but right up there.

However, there are a couple of decent ones.  Slim pickens otherwise considering the number of courses down there.

I'm surprised Shivas hasn't jumped all over the mention of ER.

It's good to hear from Tom about the Crossings being worth a visit.  I had high doubts about that one considering all the mixed feedback.  At over $60M ... it better be half way decent.

Otherwise, it's basically Barona as the no.1 in my mind with everything else a distant second.


 
Really, San Diego must be the most questioned-about city on this entire website. Second place...maybe Atlanta?
“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Tim Book

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 11:31:42 PM »
Cary,

I agree that Barona is easily the top public choice in San Diego and would add that Maderas is a nice track that is not far from Barona.  Between San Diego and Palm Desert you might try Cross Creek in Temecula.  Arthur Hill's design in a nice quiet valley west of the 15 freeway with no homes.

If access is possible the Bridges @ Rancho Sante Fe is a unique expierence.  It probably doesn't rank real high with most GCA'ers, but the numerous canyon carrying tee shots are memorable.

I can think of 15 courses I would rather play in San Diego than the Crossings at Carlsbad.  If you don't mind airplanes, power lines, traffic and kids on roller coasters paired with a horrible routing you might consider it.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2008, 11:49:28 PM »
Here's the Schmidt-Curley course in Hemet:

www.hemetgolfclub.com
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Pete Lavallee

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2008, 11:54:51 PM »
Hear's the real deal;

Book a room at the Rancho Santa Fe Inn, specifically ask for one of the rooms in the new cassitas at the back of the property. Staying at the Inn allows you to play the course after 1:00; use your Pro to arrange a better time. Don't miss lunch on the patio at the Rancho Sante Fe Inn. Make dinner reservations at Mille Fleures, arguably the best resteraunt in SD, only one block from the RSFI. Book a stay and play at Barona the next day; you'll be on the way to PS when you hit the road from there.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2008, 11:57:28 PM by Pete Lavallee »
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 12:06:57 AM »
The Hemet Golf Club residential development went really, really overboard naming their streets.

Weir Drive, Bjorn Court, Tewell Drive (Doug Tewell? Really?), Garcia Drive.... gag me.

Help, I'm really bored.

Patrick Kiser

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Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2008, 12:43:40 AM »
Good call Pete ... provided the $$$'s not an issue.



Hear's the real deal;

Book a room at the Rancho Santa Fe Inn, specifically ask for one of the rooms in the new cassitas at the back of the property. Staying at the Inn allows you to play the course after 1:00; use your Pro to arrange a better time. Don't miss lunch on the patio at the Rancho Sante Fe Inn. Make dinner reservations at Mille Fleures, arguably the best resteraunt in SD, only one block from the RSFI. Book a stay and play at Barona the next day; you'll be on the way to PS when you hit the road from there.
“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Brian Cenci

Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2008, 08:25:43 AM »
WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T PLAY LA COSTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom Huckaby

Re:San Diego Courses
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2008, 09:25:53 AM »
Patrick:

Just do read the fine print in my "recommendation" of Crossings.  It's overpriced and an architectural mess and absolutely unwalkable.  I just found it to provide a lot of fun and crazy shots, and it has some very nice views, so I did enjoy my round there a lot.  It would take a very large sense of humor to enjoy it like it did... but if one can have that and leave architectural analysis aside for a day, then yes, fun can be had.

I'd also go with whatever Pete L. says - he is the MAN for San Diego.  And RSF is a very very very fun course for sure - that would have to be top priority, if access can be arranged.  

TH