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Jerry Kluger

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Double crossbunkers
« on: January 05, 2008, 08:47:27 PM »
How often have you seen two crossbunkers on a hole.  I have seen it at Baltusrol but where else has it been done and does it work?  It would seem to me that if it is not done well that it simply forces a layup second shot.
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J_ Crisham

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Re:Double crossbunkers
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2008, 09:05:44 PM »
Jerry, I vaguely remember  a par 5 at Skokie  that I thought had 2 sets of cross bunkers.I was playing miserably so my memory is skewed about this fine course- I remember that it proved to be a great risk reward hole especially for a long accurate 2nd shot. Also great crosss bunkers on the 1st and 10th holes par 4s.
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Mike_Cirba

Re:Double crossbunkers
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2008, 11:10:20 PM »
Jerry,

The second hole at the old St. Martin's Course at Philadelphia Cricket Club has what amounts to a double crossbunker, and I'm sure which played as an example in the early 1900's.

There is a cross bunker coming across from the left side of the fairway which the player needs to carry on the drive to reach in two and to reach the high ground.   From there, another cross bunker fronted the green.

Today, it's simple driver, flip-wedge, but I'm betting in the 1907 US Open it required a long blast over the bunker and then a daring second for anyone who wished to get home in two.

The place is a wonderful museum piece of golf that is still fun and fascinating today.
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Adam Clayman

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Re:Double crossbunkers
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 11:31:09 AM »
Jerry, The original closer at Pinon Hills had a dbl cross hazard. The hole is a par 5 and the second cross carry did not force a lay up. If one's drive was errant it was the edge of an island of fairway in a sea of trouble.
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Mark_Fine

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Re:Double crossbunkers
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 11:02:28 PM »
Jerry,
At one of my projects in New Jersey (also a Tillinghast design, Ft. Monmouth), the one par five originally had two cross bunkers.  Our master plan only proposed restoring one of the bunkers.  Sad to say, little of the work has been done so far due to funding issues (it is part of an Army base).  The course has some of the best bunkering I've ever seen from Tillie.  Though we talked about it with the club management, the hole with both cross bunkers (one was a partial cross bunker) would have been extremely penal for all but the better golfers.  
Mark
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:Double crossbunkers
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2008, 02:27:54 AM »
Every hole at Pine Valley?
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Jerry Kluger

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Re:Double crossbunkers
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 08:57:40 AM »
Has anyone seen it on a modern course? The trend today seems to be pinching in a fairway or approach shot but still leaving some room to get further up the fairway or at the green.  Why isn't it being used today?  I personally like the really big cross bunkers like those used at PV or Baltimore CC.
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