"By the way Tom, in the "Ideal Course" list Crane published, with suggested changes...did you notice his recommendation for #1 at Pine Valley?"
Sully"
I certainly did and I don't agree with his suggestions at all. I do not feel that PV's #1 needs any architectural changes at all with the possible exception of some tree removal on the right and perhaps some consideration for the final inclusion of some of the things that Crump apparently wanted to do to the hole had he lived.
"Do you think we can gang up on Pat Mucci and his regular suggestion that they eliminate all of the trees on the property "like it was in XXXX..."? That would be fun..."
Pat Mucci's ideas for PV are not to be taken seriously, in my opinion.
One final thing about Crane and PV---I was most surprised to see him include PV's #12 in the list of his 18 ideal golf holes with no suggested architectural changes. To me, that very well might mean that Crane was not the one dimensional "penal" proponent that some paint him to be.
RTJ mentioned that PV's 12th was the real weak hole on the golf course. That's one of the reasons I don't put much stock in RTJ's opinions on golf architecture!