When having a 2nd par 5 is more important than

[Robert Mercer Deruntz]

maintaining the integrity of a Devereaux Emmett masterpiece where the golfing wager most commonly used orginated.  This was probably Emmett's most championship tournament worthy course in metro-NY.

[Robert Mercer Deruntz]

Though Doak gave this course a so-so rating.  I think that this was a great course that needed to lose thousands of trees.  This was one of the last NY metro courses to become heavily treed.  This current project might actually be a positive after the Cupp decimation of Forse's unfinished restoration.  Every bunker was designed with a soft Mickey Mouse's ears appearance.  The sad reality was that there was up to 50 yards that a new 4th tee could have moved back to make it play as a softer dogleg.  The 3rd green was a cool subtle design that played very similar to the 1st at Shinny.  Many bogeys were scored with wedges in the last Met Open.  Why is it so important to have 2 par 5's?  This club and Wannamoisset seemed to do very well with a single par 5.

[wsmorrison]

RMD,

Sorry to get off the subject of this particular golf course.  However, yesterday Tom and I visited our good buddy Adam Jessie at St. Georges GC in Stony Brook, NY on Long Island.  That is a fascinating Dev Emmett course with some awesome rolling fairways.  It is a bit tight in spots but has some marvelous features such as dual hole bunkers, mounds and architecture.  It is a nice glimpse of golf architecture from the its origin in 1915 and opening in 1917.  From your comments and SGGC and Leatherstocking that I have seen, Emmett certainly is worth studying.

There is a bit of Macdonald influence still visible.  In fact, a number of holes were originally named as such though something is missing and today they seem a nominal connection only.  Some of the named holes include Sahara, Bottle, Perfection, Cape, Maiden and Knoll.  It is a very interesting course on the north shore.  Anybody visiting this part of Long Island should take a look around.

[Tom_Doak]

RMD:  I don't even know which course you are talking about, based on the clues you gave and a photo looking across a pond from one hole to another.

[John Nixon]

RMD:  I don't even know which course you are talking about, based on the clues you gave and a photo looking across a pond from one hole to another.

Agreed. Not to single out this particular occurrence, but please, if you're going to discuss a course, let the rest of us know which course it is.

[Doug Braunsdorf]

This is Nassau Country Club, in Glen Cove, NY.

[wsmorrison]

Bill,

True.  But a closeness to the subject doesn't necessarily make one wrong, especially in my case where I said it is my opinion.  

Now I must chastise you for mentioning Lehigh and Engineers in the same post as Shinnecock.  Go get Mike Malone's dunce cap on and don't take it off until I give you permission  

[Robert Mercer Deruntz]

I did not mention Nassau intentionally.  It seemed like a good idea to see if anyone could figure out the course.  Since there are so many investigation savy particapants, this seemed like a good exercise.  At one time this course was considered the best course on LI's north shore.  It is truely a  championship course--easily the most difficult in Nassau County.  Perhaps the  Augusta imitation 12th , which is the new 3rd, and the change to a fairly long par 5 will be well done.  However, this was  an awesome Emmett that simply needed major tree clearing and a few new tees.

[M. Shea Sweeney]

The Long Island Open is at Nassau this year, should be interesting to see how it stacks up.

[John_Cullum]

That bunkering looks more like what I expect to see in my part of the world

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

I do not think any course needs a certain number of par 5's. In fact many classic courses would do well to make one or more par 5's into strong 4's moving par to 71 or 70.

[Robert Mercer Deruntz]

Nassau

[Phil_the_Author]

Mike,

The Long Island Open used to be held on Bethpage Red every year. Is this a change for just this year or has it now being played at different locations?