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Tom Yost

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AGA Papago Proposal
« on: October 31, 2007, 06:11:01 PM »
The Arizona Golf Association has put up some information on their web site with regards to the Papago Golf Course restoration.

In a series of articles, they address the project, the bid process, the current conditions and the vision for the future of the golf course. Additionally, they respond to the issues raised by the Men's Club and the Papago Loyalists group.

http://www.azgolf.org/livelearnplay/articles.asp?Category=24&CategoryID=4&SubCategory=5

There is this great photo of a very young Billy Mayfair, Heather and Missy Farr.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2007, 06:49:03 PM »
Very interesting. Ed Gowan should be asked directly to answer why Forrest Richardson's Master Plan was usurped by the AGA and why he is not part of the "team." The money looks like a loan to the Industrial Development Authority. Why  Olsen AND Harman?

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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2007, 08:23:19 AM »
From Bill Huffman's column in todays East Valley Tribune:

PAPAGO NATION
The battle lines have been drawn in the sand between the Arizona Golf Association’s proposal to pump $8.2 million into the renovation of Papago Golf Course and the Save Papago Golf coalition that opposes the AGA and its plans. But the battle for the jewel of Arizona’s municipal golf courses, which sits on the borders of Phoenix, Scottsdale and Tempe, could end without a shot even being fired.

According to local golf sources, the AGA got the inside track and the eventual nod on the Papago renovation project because no other group that was interested in it did the paperwork — at least correctly! — in the request for proposal process. And the Phoenix Parks and Recreation Department still is standing behind the AGA, although several city officials have become uneasy over the “Papago problem.”

Both sides have some solid points in making their cases, and there is no doubt that Papago is in dire straits and needing a face-lift badly. But after all the pluses are weighed against the minuses, the guess here is the AGA will win out even though it should be very careful what it wishes for in taking on what is sure to be a complicated and highly political project that could easily last five to 10 years.

One thought keeps crossing my mind concerning the AGA and Papago, and it’s a huge consideration in the long run.

Remember what happened at Vistal Golf Club in Phoenix after the Thunderbirds spent $10 million renovating the old Thunderbird Country Club? That’s right, it went bust.

At the same time, one failure doesn’t guarantee another, so maybe this will all turn out for the best.
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Tom Yost

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2007, 12:42:40 PM »
Today's Arizona Republic has an editorial recommending the city accept the AGA proposal and move forward with the Papago renovation.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/1124sat1-24.html

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 07:34:06 AM »
Tonight is the vote. Bill Huffman's article endorses the AGA proposal:

www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/102944
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Tom Yost

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 07:58:33 AM »
Tonight is the vote. Bill Huffman's article endorses the AGA proposal:

www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/102944

Steve - you must get the papers in Philly much earlier than I do !   ::)


Tom

Mark Smolens

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 08:01:29 AM »
Didn't the problems with the Thunderbirds' course ending up in bankruptcy court result from some kind of litigation?  I thought that there was a problem with some young man having consumed water from a water bottle which had not been cleaned properly, got an infection, and actually died.

In any event, in the prior posts on this subject I saw mention of the fact that Forrest Richardson's work on this project -- as I recall it was apparently preparing plans for the renovation/upgrade (or whatever we're calling it) -- was being used by the AGA despite the fact that a different architect had been hired (someone from Atlanta?).  I'm wondering if that issue had been resolved?

Forrest Richardson

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2007, 03:43:05 PM »
Not as of 1:45 MST November 29th, 2007. Any other questions?
— Forrest Richardson, Golf Course Architect/ASGCA
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 09:13:02 AM »
As expected, the AGA had the votes:

www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/103108
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:AGA Papago Proposal
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2007, 07:37:07 AM »
Here's another article with details about work to be done on the course and rates:




www.azcentral.com/sports/golf/articles/1206papago1206.html
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”