Or the messenger and his third and last message, since he is being forced by his wife to go to North Florida tomorrow to sit on some God-forfending beach and read a book. Actually it's a very cool book indeed by James Brison called "At Home." I highly recommend it to everyone on Golfflubatlas.com.
David,
I thought we were having a dialogue? If instead you are just looking to posture here for the group while presenting a number of elements completely out of context to prove some political point then I'm actually disappointed. Who exactly do you think you're convincing here? I fully expect Tom MacWood to have his mind made up and to be unswayable by actual facts, but thought perhaps you were more fair-minded and truth be told, smarter.
Why no comment about MacWood's error in interpreting the William Evans article, where he claims that the article states that Wilson, Smith, and Klauder will be designing the course while completely misunderstanding that the course had already been routed, which was indicated in the previous paragraph? You are always so quick to leap on the errors of others, yet strangely....
For instance, in your last post you mentioned my contention that Cobb's Creek was once compared to Pine Valley for degree of challenge. Note that I never said that it was compared in terms of quality of design or maintenance, or anything else, yet you make the very same mistake as your aforementioned Peter Putter and misinterpret what Horace Gamble said.
And why not just copy and past the entire article, or the rebuttal article in an opposing newspaper? I know you have the ability to do that...why just type out the parts you would like everyone to read to make your point and omit the rest?
The fact is that a number of top golfers, including North & South Amateur champion Norman Maxwell rose to Cobb's defense after Peter Putter made his obvious interpretation error.
I've also posted multiple times, both here and on the Philadelphia Golfer thread started by Joe Bausch, exactly why the book mentions Travis, Thomas, Flynn, and Sayers, copying verbatim from the book in what their role was. Why the continued effort to ignore that by both you and Tom? None of them were on the committee who designed the course, yet each did have a role in the story, with Travis credited for providing advice, Thomas spending a good deal of time onsite and claiming to have learned a lot from Hugh Wilson there, Flynn doing the actual shaping of features, and Sayers listed as in charge of Instruction on opening day.
Should I just have omitted them?
Also, I did explain to you the timing of the information about Father Carr, and the sources, indicating that I would include more about him in future editions. Yet, you omit that explanation and act as if I omitted him because he wasn't important yet you know that's not true.
At the rate you guys are going in misrepresentation and misinterpretation, I should just post the whole book here. For those interested in reading it for themselves so they can avoid the bizarro prism that a few here are trying to cast over it, it can be found here;
http://trenhamgolfhistory.org/Documents/Cobbs_Creek_History_April2012ver2a/index.html And for those actually curious about what Horace Gamble was comparing in terms of challenge between the two courses that David strangely omitted, here's the article;
And since Tom MacWood suddenly and thankfully now accepts William Evans as a credible inside source about Philadelphia golf after trying desperately in years past to discredit the poor fellow for all the times he credited Hugh Wilson with Merion East's design, perhaps he missed this article while in what seems to be an apparent fevered state lately, trying to throw everything but the kitchen sink at the book and at Tom Paul.
Finally, since even the involvement of Frank Meehan has been questioned, here's the Park Engineer of Fairmount Park weighing in on Meehan's role, again directly from the book;
"In any case we know that by August, 1924, when work began in earnest to build additional public courses in Philadelphia at Juniata (Tacony) as well as a second eighteen at Cobb’s Creek (Karakung), the following news item appeared in the Philadelphia Evening Ledger;
The city will be saved a big fee for a golf architect, in the program for the erection of a course in Tacony, Mr. Corson said (Corson is the Chief Engineer at this time of Fairmount Park and had been assistant to Jesse Vogdes in 1916). He announced that he himself, a golfer, and Frank Meehan, Hugh Wilson and A. H. Smith, all members of the Philadelphia Golf Association, would probably design the course.
"Mr. Meehan, Mr. Wilson and Mr. Smith gave their aid in laying out the course at Cobbs Creek," stated the chief engineer, "and I am sure that they will help us with the Tacony links."
Thanks,
Mike