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Andrew Mitchell

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Fulford GC, York
« on: October 23, 2007, 01:24:04 PM »
I played there yesterday for the first time, although i'd been several times back in the 1980s as a spectator when it was a regular stop on the European Tour.  I found that I remembered little of it from those visits.

The course essentially goes straight out, with a loop at the far end, and then straight back.  The course is a mixture of parkland and heathland, being bisected by the noisy A64 (the main road from Leeds to Scarborough which forms part of the York ring road), the heathland holes are the far side of the road.

It was very still yesterday so there was little wind to trouble us either going out or coming back so it was difficult to gauge which of the nines would be harder into the prevailing wind. Whilst the pros with todays equipment would overpower it Fulford is still a stern test for the club golfer with several par 4s in excess of 400 yards, including five of the first seven holes. I didn't take any less than a fairway wood or long iron for my second shots on any of those holes, despite some good drives.

The course is on essentially flat ground but there was sufficient movement on the ground to make things interesting.  It is heavily treelined but the trees don't intrude on many unless you have hit a wild shot.

I didn't have my camera with me but I found this excellent write up from Mark Rowlinson prior to my visit with some photos.

I recall the Tour pros used to say the greens at Fulford were as good as any they played on.  Little seems to have changed in the 20 years since the tour moved on - they were in excellent condition yesterday, probably the best I've putted on this year.  That recommendation is probably based on the fasct htat it was the best I've putted all year ;D

In the pantheon of Yorkshire courses Fulford is some way below Ganton and Alwoodley but if you were passing through York en route to either of those courses with time to spare you could do worse than stop here.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2007, 03:44:36 PM »
Andrew,

glad you enjoyed playing Fulford which is a solid test of golf and enjoyable for any standard of golfer. I reread Mark R's write up which gives a good insight into the course. It is interesting that the only hole I have never liked there is 14 and that since I first played it aged 10. Another York golf club not to miss is Strensil. I actually prefer it to Fulford.

TEPaul

Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2007, 08:03:49 PM »
I played there just before the Walker Cup at Ganton in '03. We played in a big day competition between I think Fulford and some residual Americans or people going to the Walker Cup.

What struck me about the course were those rigs and furrows on a few fairways such as #1.  I'd never seen anything like that before.

I liked the course a lot but didn't find it tough really. For some reason I decided to play all the non-par 3 holes with a 2 iron off the tee. I think it was pretty dry in GB that summer so the ball was rollin'. I played with the USGA's Ammerman against Jonathan Plaxton (a helluva player from Fulford who's played in some British Opens) and his partner an outrageous handicap bandit who we ribbed all day as he ribbed us. Ammerman and I lost our match to those bandits.

It was a great day and big dinner afterwards at Fulford. I have fond memories of Fulford and York.

Fulford is considered to be Heathlands? I had no idea. What a dumb rabbit I am.

Andrew Mitchell

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 12:20:59 PM »
Jon
I thought Fulford was a good test and in excellent condition. We were on an invitation at a greatly reduced green fee so being careful Yorkshiremen that probably heightened our enjoyment!

What didn't you like about 14?  The hedges running in front of the green seemed artificial to me.  With a ditch guarding a narrow green it appeared to me that the hedge was superflous to requirements.

TE Paul
I noted the rigs and furrows on some of the fairways.  However they did not appear to be as pronounced as the ones at Alwoodley.
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

TEPaul

Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 01:04:24 PM »
"TE Paul
I noted the rigs and furrows on some of the fairways.  However they did not appear to be as pronounced as the ones at Alwoodley."



Does Alwoodley have rigs and furrows?

That's funny, I didn't notice them there. I guess I'm not very observant. The course where they were most noticeable and prevalent was Scarborough North Cliff. They should rename that golf club Rig 'n Furrow GC.

Jon Wiggett

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 01:28:11 PM »
Andrew,

I think my problem with the 14th has probably something to do with it coming after the wonderful heathland holes on the far side of the bypass. It always seems artificial and english garden like at that point of the round and does not fit in with the rest of the course. It is not just the hedge but also the type of plant that it is and its maintenance that jarr. It would be better if they ditched the hedge opening up the view of the ground in frount of the green and maybe made the ditch more natural looking.

As for the greenfee, as a junior back in the early 80's I could get on to play for £2 for the day which as a careful yorkshire lad really helped the enjoyment factor   :D. I will have to make a point of playing Fulford again when I back home through the winter.

TEP,

if you really want to enjoy rig and furrow at its best then just mow a fairway that has it. I will make a point of popping down to City of Wakefield GC over Xmas and take a photo or 2 to post as it has the wildest R&F that I have ever seen.

Mike_Clayton

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 07:32:17 PM »
TEPaul

Those furrows and rigs on the first fairway - someone told me during one of the tournaments we played there in the eighties that they were put there during the war to stop Germans landing planes on the fairway.

Every course I played in Korea had steel cables that were pulled up at night to cross the fairways so the North Koreans couldn't land their planes.

Andrew Mitchell

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2007, 09:11:01 AM »
Jon
I agree re the hedges in front of the green

They appear totally out of context with the rather wilder nature of the remainder of the course.

If you are back in Yorkshire over the winter don't hesitate to IM me if you want to meet up for a game somewhere.

TEPaul
They are far more prevalent at Alwoodley, particularly on the early holes.  Its a long time since I played Scarborough North Cliff, I probably hadn't heard about rigs and furrows back then.

Mike
I assume you played Fulford in the B&H (and/or its equivalents).  I remember the general praise for the standard of the greens.  I thought they were still superb surfaces to putt on but were essentially flat (with some exceptions) and didn't have the subtle contours of say Alwoodley. Is that fair comment from your recollection?
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

Mike_Clayton

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 08:35:36 PM »
Andrew,

I played every B and H from 1982 until they moved it to the horrifically difficult place a lot further south - in May no less when the weather was pretty horrible as well.

The greens at Fulford were always the best of the season - by a long way.

They were not however,very interesting to putt.There was very little contour - either subtle or bold but there were some good holes - 4 was really difficult as was 13 but 9 was a fun par five and 12 wasn't a bad short four with those sharpe edges banks and difficult pitching from the sides.

I have never played Alwodley but my assumption is Fulford is not in the same league.

Andrew Mitchell

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2007, 05:17:43 AM »
Mike

I think they moved it to the (then) new Nicklaus course at St Mellion. My recollection was that the tour switched the date from July/August to May and Fulford couldn't guarantee they would have the greens right by that time of year.

I'm glad you've confirmed my thoughts re the greens, both their condition and straightforwardness. For a handicap golfer like me I thought it was a tough start, 4 long par fours where you were looking at long irons or fairway woods for second shots.  I thought 12 was a good example of an excellent short par 4, 317 yards (they let us we play off the white tees) no bunkers around the green, but the narrowness of the greensite made it a tough second shot even with a gap wedge in hand.

Your assumption that Fulford is not in the same league as Alwoodley is correct.  Nonetheless it is still a pleasant day out.
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

TEPaul

Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2007, 08:25:12 AM »
"TEPaul
Those furrows and rigs on the first fairway - someone told me during one of the tournaments we played there in the eighties that they were put there during the war to stop Germans landing planes on the fairway."

Mike:

I always assumed those rigs and furrows on some of the fairways around York were some vestige of agriculture.

Frankly I never even thought to look to see if they extended into other areas of those courses that aren't fairways. If not it sure does make your explanation of why they were done originally a lot more plausible.

I'm sure the British got ready for every contingency during the war but putting rigs and furrow in golf fairways to prevent German planes from landing seems sort of counter intuitive to me.

If I were a German pilot in WW1 or WW2 I don't care how well the Germans were doing against the British I don't think I'd want to be landing my plane in Britain. Something might tell me the welcome wouldn't be too friendly. But who the hell knows. Maybe if a German pilot got out of his planes with his golf clubs the Brits might reconsider. ;)

Jon Wiggett

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2007, 04:18:49 AM »

If you are back in Yorkshire over the winter don't hesitate to IM me if you want to meet up for a game somewhere.



Okay Andrew, it will probably be sometime jan/feb when I am across. Will get in touch to organise a game

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Fulford GC, York
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2007, 03:46:52 PM »
R&F. Try these co-ordinates in your Google Earth:

 54°44'6.90"N   1°38'57.06"W (Brancepeth Castle)
 55° 2'2.31"N  1°37'20.36"W (Northumberland)
 54°17'57.00"N   0°24'41.90"W (Scarborough North Cliff)
 53°56'31.32"N  1° 3'17.64"W (Fulford)
 53°51'44.46"N   1°31'32.47"W (Alwoodley)

And to prove that they aren't all in the north of England:
 50°28'49.05"N   4° 5'40.91"W (Yelverton)
 52°27'36.06"N   1°55'3.45"W (Edgbaston)
 51°43'5.97"N   0°27'19.14"E (Chelmsford)
 51°26'43.25"N   1° 2'9.27"W (Calcot Park)
 53° 4'40.42"N  0°43'44.20"W (Newark)
 52°20'47.62"N   2° 0'32.12"W (Blackwell) (in part)
 51°34'39.63"N  0° 9'49.60"W (Highgate)

Enjoy your tour of England - don't forget to smell the flowers on the way!

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