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Brian Cenci

San Diego are golf
« on: October 21, 2007, 09:39:23 PM »
As a Michigander who has played all around the US I've never played in California.  I'm going to San Diego for 5 days in late November and probably have time for two rounds.  Any suggestions?

Matt_Cohn

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Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 11:58:47 PM »
Several threads on this already. One within the last 3 weeks.

Patrick Kiser

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Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 01:56:02 AM »
Barona in Lakeside.  More expensive now, but you're best bet for SD.

Torrey if you must, but not worth the trouble in my opinion.

I wouldn't both with La Costa or Aviara.  Expensive and not much there.

Sorry but SD is a lot like S. FL ... golf wasteland.
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Rich Goodale

Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 07:20:43 AM »
Barona Casino is currently subject to a "mandatory" evacuation order due to the fires, but the gamblers ain't budging.  Hope the golf course is spared.

Pete Lavallee

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Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 08:48:52 AM »
Definitely Barona Creek; here's a list of your options:

Here's a list I've been meaning to compile; hope it helps.

Where to play in San Diego?

Resorts:

Barona Creek    619-387-7018
    This is the must play course in the San Diego area. Just a 30 minute drive from downtown, Todd Eckenrode’s creation in Wildcat Canyon offers a thrill for every class of golfer. The course features strategic bunkering, scattered at different distances, through the wide fairways. Firm and fast conditions put a premium on attacking from the correct angles to the highly contoured greens. Hotel and Casino on site.

Torrey Pines    (reservations) 619-570-1234
    South:  The host for the 2008 US Open is set up as a test of the modern game. Even from the white tees (6,880) this course plays long. Rees improved the 3 holes he moved to the canyon’s edge (3, 4&14) but 18 double plateau greens are a bit repetitive. Greens still need work to justify the $100-$125 rate
    North: The proposed redesign has been postponed, here’s your chance to play what could be William Francis Bell’s best work. Better use of terrain, nicely contoured set of pushup greens, surely the more scenic of the two courses.
    Golfers can show up as early as they want to line up for the morning’s first hour of tee times (cars line up in the parking lot on weekends, during the week you place your golf bag in line in front of the starters booth on the balcony); singles stand a decent chance of getting off through the waiting list in the afternoon.

Carlton Oaks    619-448-4500
    This Perry Dye redesign has all the "dye-abolical” trademarks: waste areas, pot bunkers bulk headed water hazards and many greens that slope away in the back. At 7,225 75.2/146from the tips it’s definitely the second toughest layout in the County. Lots of fun from the blue or white tees though. Hotel on site.

La Costa    760-438-9111
    Fans of Dick Wilson will enjoy the artistry of the bunkering on the original tournament course. The bad news is it has been split into the South, with 9 holes shoehorned in by Wilson and the North with its’ additional 9 holes on ample ground with good movement across the street, done by Joe Lee Unfortunately neither nines are a match for the original work. Sometimes the Resort will let the first group off the North actually play the tournament course, so long as they can beat the first group off the South to the back 9.

Warner Springs Ranch    760-782-4270
    High desert course is both scenic and challenging. The remote atmosphere makes this course special; resort rooms have no TV or phones! Little over an hour from downtown but very close to Barona.


Municipal:

Coronado    619-435-3121
    Jack Daray designed San Diego’s “Hidden Gem”, built on fill dredged from the harbor in the 50’s, it has 4 holes that play along Glorietta Bay, subtle doglegs test driving ability, the pushup greens punish poor iron play, wind is often a factor. At $25/day for everyone it’s the best deal in town.

Balboa Park    (reservations)  619-570-1234
    Built in 1918 by William Park Bell, this short (6,281) trip out through the canyons and back across the mesa has remained a tough track to score on. Sam Snead’s course record 60, shot here while in the Navy in WWII, still stands. Views of downtown and the Coronado Islands, walkups should have no trouble playing here.

CCFAD’s:

Maderas CC    858-451-8100
    Built on a hilly site this course promises the thrilling downhill holes off the bat, the key here is how much fun the uphill holes are. Neal Meagher’s perfect mix off unique green sites are worth the price of admission alone. Soon to go private when enough memberships are sold.

Del Mar National    858-792-6200
    The only Fazio course in San Diego County; All golfers really want is a thrill; this course comes up short here. Very playable and takes a great picture, but the tea cups at Disney Land are more exciting than this place.

Privates:

Rancho Santa Fe CC
    Don’t pass up an opportunity to play here. Max Behr’s 1929 layout got the highest Doak rating in San Diego County (5).

La Jolla CC
    Canyon golf at its best from William Park Bell, built in 1927.

San Diego CC
    Another William Park Bell layout with several barrancas was built in 1921. The redesigned greens seem unsympathetic to the Bell style.

Tijuana CC
    The course claims a MacKenzie heritage, but it sure looks like a William Park Bell to me; possibly during his relationship with Tillinghast. Close enough to the border to take the trolley down and hop in a cab for the short journey to the golf course; public access allowed.

Pauma Valley
    The only Robert Trent Jones course in San Diego County is in the high desert just past Barona; once rated within the top 20 in Ca.

Military:

Marine Memorial  GC, Camp Pendleton    760-725-4704
    Set within the expansive Marine base this course by William Francis Bell occupies a peaceful and secluded river valley 50 minutes from downtown. Somewhat shaggy conditioning here doesn’t detract from the enjoyment.

Miramar, Memorial GC    858-577-4155
    Jack Daray shows how to turn a flat parcel of land into an interesting golf course at the old Top Gun base. Now a Marine Corp Air Station it has some of the best conditioned greens in the County; wind and FA-18’s are always a factor here.
 
     

 
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Tim Leahy

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Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 01:01:35 PM »
Pete's list is pretty complete, but if you want an ocean view and don't want to pay an arm and a leg then Encinitas Ranch is also an option.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 08:50:45 PM »
Pete, what about Singing Hills, the old Gene Littler layout?

Kirk Gill

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Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 10:27:13 PM »
I just played Torrey Pines South last Thursday, and found that the fairways are getting a lot of work, and many had patches of top-dressing. For those who are most deeply moved by course conditioning, you might be disappointed with the current state of affairs. I really enjoyed putting on those greens, even though it is obvious that they get a ton of play (much of it from folks who apparently never learned about fixing ball marks). Maybe it's just me, but there were times I was just lost trying to putt on those greens. The speeds were consistent, but I haven't badly misread so many putts in a long time.

My friend and I decided (after much good advice from folks on this site) to just show up early and see what happened. As it turned out, problems with parking (the expanded main lot is still under construction, and the temporary lot happened to be closed as well) worked out well for us - we'd found a close place on the street, and were out on the course before 8:30 (replacing a twosome who had less luck with the parking situation).

I enjoyed the South Course, although I don't get around as much as most on the site. The conditioning wasn't as huge an issue for me as the turf - bermuda, yes? Don't get that up here in colorado. The sponginess of it was very different, I don't know that I ever got used to it.
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John_Conley

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Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 01:56:20 AM »
Pete, what about Singing Hills, the old Gene Littler layout?

I think it is called Sycuan now.

Pete Lavallee

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Re:San Diego are golf
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 10:09:13 AM »
Pete, what about Singing Hills, the old Gene Littler layout?

Bill,

John is right, it is now called Sycuan, the tribe has a Casino just a few hundred yards down the road and bought the complex. Their infusion of money has really improved the facility: 2 18 hole courses and a really neat 18 hole par 3 course. My Sunday group has moved to there this year and we have been quite pleased; conditions are good, they let us walk for $48, we  alternate courses each week with the members and the 19th hole is very nice. They are  however Ted Robinson layouts, albeit from his early years before he sold out to all the bells and whistles that gcaer's hate. Oak Glen is a "sporty" course; short but still challanging. Willow Glen has a lot of greens that angle from 8 oclock to 2 oclock which for right handers is very challanging. The bottom line is that if you are in SD and are going to drive the 30 minutes from downtown you need to shell out the extra dinaro to play Barona Creek.
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