A one woman golf course architecture wrecking crew!

[Kalen Braley]

Barney,

I don't see anyone going to bat for the lady who is a member at both CPC and SFGC. But given that, at least that is in the realm of believability. 16 HIOS in 6 months?....a whole different story!!!

Is it not possible John that she could come from money and is a member just because she can be and has the connections?  And she is somewhat interested in the game?  Does one have to know who designed Pine Valley and Riveria as entrance criteria to joining a top CC?

But if you are up to your typical stuff, then yes you have got the rank and file here on GCA all worked up so you have won...go to your room now.  

[Daryl David]

I'm confused - do you read this as she actually received $5 per member for a hole-in-one?  Steve L, how many members are there at Mission Hills?  If there are 300 members, does that mean you get $1,500 for scoring a single ace?

When I was a member at Mission Hills there were around 900 members.  That was sometime ago, but I bet it is at least that now.

[Garland Bayley]

What you people don't understand is that she has the MetLife blimp working for her.
 

[Jay Flemma]

I'm confused - do you read this as she actually received $5 per member for a hole-in-one?  Steve L, how many members are there at Mission Hills?  If there are 300 members, does that mean you get $1,500 for scoring a single ace?

When I was a member at Mission Hills there were around 900 members.  That was sometime ago, but I bet it is at least that now.

I think actually what happens is that its a "women's hole in one club" deal where they choose to participate. So its not every member, just a small cadre.

[Dan Kelly]

I think this site bends over backwards to believe what they want to believe.

You know what? I'm really sick of hearing about what "this site" believes.

"This site" doesn't believe in anything.

We have 1,500 people here -- any number of whom think for themselves.

[John Kavanaugh]

I think this site bends over backwards to believe what they want to believe.

You know what? I'm really sick of hearing about what "this site" believes.

"This site" doesn't believe in anything.

We have 1,500 people here -- any number of whom think for themselves.

How do we then stay at 1500 when we take on new members and no one has left?  I wouldn't hang your hat on 1500 any more than 16 unless it is what you want to believe.

[Rich Goodale]

John

Of the "1500," the vast majority are dead, missing, double counted and/or just lurk, so we really don't know what "they" believe.  I'd be surprised if there were as many as 300 of "us" who post regularly and of whom we have a clue as to what they really believe.

Rich

[John Kavanaugh]

John

Of the "1500," the vast majority are dead, missing, double counted and/or just lurk, so we really don't know what "they" believe.  I'd be surprised if there were as many as 300 of "us" who post regularly and of whom we have a clue as to what they really believe.

Rich

By that logic if she had only reported four aces we might have believed her.  It always fascinates me where the point is that a con goes awry.  I wish no one had ever questioned the woman so we could have seen how far she could have gone.  Wouldn't it be great if this site had one million members and we could claim that everyone believed like us.

[paul cowley]

...not that this is meant to support anything the ability of this woman to pull this off...I don't believe it.
But it did bring back to mind a season some years past when I had 6 witnessed holed shots from the fairway....using 9 thru 3 irons...all for eagles....but I have never yet had a hole in one. I have lost track of how many times I have holed out from the fairway, but this one year stuck out as it was during club competitions.

I did once hit eight iron in the water on a par 3, then dropped another on the tee and holed it for my par.....funny game errr sport errr

[Rich Goodale]

...not that this is meant to support anything the ability of this woman to pull this off...I don't believe it.
But it did bring back to mind a season some years past when I had 6 witnessed holed shots from the fairway....using 9 thru 3 irons...all for eagles....but I have never yet had a hole in one. I have lost track of how many times I have holed out from the fairway, but this one year stuck out as it was during club competitions.

I did once hit eight iron in the water on a par 3, then dropped another on the tee and holed it for my par.....funny game errr sport errr

paul

get this on video, or we won't believe you......

rich

[Dan Kelly]

I think this site bends over backwards to believe what they want to believe.

You know what? I'm really sick of hearing about what "this site" believes.

"This site" doesn't believe in anything.

We have 1,500 people here -- any number of whom think for themselves.

How do we then stay at 1500 when we take on new members and no one has left?  I wouldn't hang your hat on 1500 any more than 16 unless it is what you want to believe.

The point I was making is equally valid (or not) whether we have two posters or 200 or 1,500.

[Richard Choi]

The question is not about  whether or not we are putting down women or voicing opinions.

What this woman is claiming is not possible - that's it. We don't have to take it any further than that. She is lying and she is a liar.

Let's look at statistically, what would be more likely that what this woman is claiming:

-Monkeys typing out War and Peace
-Hawaii sinking into ocean tomorrow
-Going to a casino and hitting your number on roulette more than 100 times in a row.
-Shivas using a cheater line on his balls.

This is not an "opinion", this is stating a fact. The woman is lying and she needs to be called on it.

[Jay Flemma]

I did once hit eight iron in the water on a par 3, then dropped another on the tee and holed it for my par.....funny game errr sport errr

I did that same thing on 12 at Bulls Bay.  Most unsatisfying par I ever made in my life.

[Paul Stephenson]

I played with a member who once had a "hole in three."

I beleive his last words before we saw it drop (and we did see it) were, "oh no."

My last hole out from the fairway was for a birdie...I had to chip out first  

[Kalen Braley]

John,

I think your lack of ability to do this on regular basis:



Gets you in trouble often...  

[Doug Wright]

Since it's the fall marathon season, I have one analogy:

Rosie Ruiz.

[Richard Choi]

Reading through the article, I thought this quote was classic...

As inevitable in these things as speculation is, I came across no one who could offer information on how Gagne carried out the hoax, if hoax it be. Her friend Judy Scrafford, never a hole-in-one witness, scoffs at the very suggestion.

"How in the heck," she says, "could somebody drop a ball in the hole and nobody in the group would see it? It would be impossible. It would be a helluva scam if you could pull that off. I suppose it could happen, once maybe. But that many times?"

Yeah, planting balls in the hole is impossible but getting 13 holes-in-one isn't?

And I think the odds of "1 in 2,253,649,101,066,840, 000,000,000,000,000, 000,000" that David Boyum of Golf Digest gave was WAAAAY too low. Almost all of her "hole-in-ones" came where she did not even hit the green - the ball just happened to be in the hole somehow rebounded off rocks, trees, whatever.

I have seen a lot of hole-in-ones on PGA Tour telecasts and I have NEVER seen a hole-in-one where the ball was off the green and bounced/rolled in.

I would say the odds that David Boyum gave is about trillion times less than what it should be.

Why would someone lie about this when it is so pathetic and obviously untrue?

Why would any self-respecting member of media even report this pathetic and obviously untrue story?

[Kalen Braley]

Why would any self-respecting member of media even report this pathetic and obviously untrue story?

This is what I want to know Richard and have asked on this thread as well..

[Dan Kelly]

Which self-respecting member of the media has reported this?

And: How do you know?

[Kalen Braley]

Dave Kindred by Golf Digest

and ESPN ran the article on its site..

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3054244

[Dan Kelly]

Dave Kindred by Golf Digest

and ESPN ran the article on its site..

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3054244

So, let me understand you: Harry Smith is the self-respecting member of the media who reported this story?

Sorry, I skimmed it too fast. Missed the "39 citations" line.
Of course, we don't know about that, either.

[Kalen Braley]

Dave Kindred by Golf Digest

and ESPN ran the article on its site..

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3054244

So, let me understand you: Harry Smith is the self-respecting member of the media who reported this story?

Dan,

I'll take the bait...Who is Harry Smith?

Additional info:  Dave Kindred is a senior writer for Golf Digest.

[Dan Kelly]

Dave Kindred by Golf Digest

and ESPN ran the article on its site..

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3054244

So, let me understand you: Harry Smith is the self-respecting member of the media who reported this story?

Dan,

I'll take the bait...Who is Harry Smith?

You skimmed it too fast, too!

[Richard Choi]

Which self-respecting member of the media has reported this?

And: How do you know?

Just from the ESPN story they mention that she has been on CBS Morning Show twice, almost all local TV News shows, Golf Digest had a blurb about her and her "feat", The Desert Sun, etc...

There is even more damning lies on her "response" to Kindred's article on her blog:

Kindred reports Microsoft says; no record of my employment; Microsoft hires people then places them within other companies to support their products..

I started at Microsoft in 1993 and I feel like I know this place pretty well and what she has stated here is a lie. We have a consulting arm that help companies support our products and they are OUR employees.

Here is another gem from her blog:

Kindred reported that my (at the time life partner Dr. Kreedman) and I were disqualified from the Mission Hills Johnny Revolta Match Play Tournament in February. She failed to turn in her group's master scorecard. Instead, she produced a card showing the Gagne/Kreedman team with scores lower than opponents believed they had signed for on the master. As I stated, I was a new golfer at the time, learning the rules of golf every time I played, what he failed to report that 5 others were DQ'd that day for various reasons like  having too many golf clubs in their bag, or testing the green etc.

Oh, so since 5 other people were DQ'ed in a torunament, that made her cheating okay?

Man, this woman gets more pathetic more you find out...

[Kalen Braley]

Dan,

I did skim over that bit...

..but it still doesn't change the fact that the Senior Golf Digest writer wrote it up, and ESPN put it on thier website.

Did he really have nothing better on his plate to write about?

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