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Mark_Rowlinson

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Compact courses
« on: September 26, 2007, 02:09:50 PM »
I flew over Royal Jersey Golf Club last week and looking down from a height of 35,000 feet I couldn't help wonder if this is the most compact 6,000+ yard course (certainly in my experience).
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David_Tepper

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 02:22:38 PM »
Mark -

Next time you are in the SF Bay Area, try to take a look at the Claremont CC, in Oakland. I believe it is well under 100 acres.

DT
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David_Tepper

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 04:32:39 PM »
Mark -

I would also submit Fortrose & Rosemarkie (on the Moray Firth, north of Inverness) as a remarkably compact course.

However, both it and Claremont are less than 6,000 yards.

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Bob_Huntley

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 04:40:38 PM »
Mark,

The Dallas Country Club is around 116 acres, if that, and is a very good test of of one's game.

Bob
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Phil Benedict

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2007, 04:54:30 PM »
Wannamoisett is on 104 acres according to Ran's profile.  A friend of mine told me that Brooklawn (Tillinghast) in Fairfield is on less than 100 acres, but I can't confirm that.
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Tony Ristola

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2007, 07:40:55 AM »
The no longer in existence Cypress Golf Club was on something like 113 acres.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2007, 07:41:21 AM by Tony Ristola »
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James Bennett

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 09:23:49 AM »
Mark

Royal Jersey's web-site says 70 acres.  Google's Planimeter says about 75 acres (with my marking of the course), so I can believe Royal Jersey's website.

The smallest I have seen around Adelaide is also about 75 acres - Riverside, perhaps 6300 yards (IIRC), but it plays better (and safer) closer to 6000 yards.

110 acres - plenty of room.  130 acres - sheer luxury.  :D

James B
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Tom Roewer

Re:Compact courses
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2007, 09:38:37 AM »
Palma Ceia C.C. in Tampa, FL. (Bendelow design 1916 - Ross redisign mainly routing 1926) is on total 92 acres.  
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JeffTodd

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2007, 09:46:54 AM »
Planimeter has Seaview CC's Bay Course (NJ) at 104 acres.
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david h. carroll

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2007, 10:13:41 AM »
Elkridge is about 110 acres 6500yds, par 71
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Jed Peters

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 11:00:42 AM »
It's my understanding that the Perry Dye-designed Bartley Cavanaugh golf course in Sacramento, CA is the longest "regulation" course on the smallest piece of land in the world with 18 separate holes.

I believe it's under 80 acres.
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Jon Spaulding

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 11:28:25 AM »
Quote from: Tony Ristola on October 02, 2007, 07:40:55 AM
The no longer in existence Cypress Golf Club was on something like 113 acres.

God bless the first part of the above statement  ;D. One of the worst courses I've ever played.

Already mentioned Claremont CC has the best ratio of quality/small acreage I have seen in person. Par 68, 5500 yards, bisected by roads twice, and hilly. Quite a challenge and well routed with a mix of up/down and traversing holes.
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2007, 12:23:46 PM »
Belhus park near London is on 46 acres!
I am working on a 5500 yarder its on about 70 acres, its a bit tight in a couple of places and for the first time I have designed a crossing hole.
TOC is not on a big acreage, we covered this topic once before but its around a 100 I think.
Chipping Sodbury is nearly 7000 yards with a practice ground and on 103 acres, its not tight at all.
Many UK 'city' courses are on around 100 acres.
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2007, 12:31:01 PM »
Anybody know the acreage of Merion?
I would hazard a guess of this one of the smallest for a top quality US course.
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Adam_Messix

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2007, 12:55:09 PM »
The smallest course I've come across is Cherokee CC in Knoxville which is on 92 acres and about 6500 yds long.  

Merion East is on 113 acres I think.
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Jed Peters

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2007, 01:48:45 PM »
The Wynn course has to be pretty small as well in terms of footprint....anyone have any idea what that encompasses?
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Wayne Freeman

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2007, 02:36:33 PM »
I think Wannamoisett is the best compact course I have played.  In SoCal there are a bunch of Bell products that were seemingly squeezed into small parcels of land I guess to leave as much space as possible for surrounding homes.  In West Covina, South Hills CC was built on about 80 acres.  On the 10th hole there, a par 3 about 145 yards, you actually hit over part of the driving range.  
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David_Tepper

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2007, 02:40:14 PM »
Google Planimeter shows Fortrose & Rosemarkie at roughly 80 acres.
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Troy Alderson

Re:Compact courses
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2007, 11:40:26 PM »
Pleeeaaase,

Tri-City Country Club in Washington State is on 65 acres and measures 4900 yards with a par of 65.  Though the Belhus Park beats it in London, I would like to know a more compact course in the USA.  The superintendent informed me that handicaps go up at TCCC, alot of water hazards to challenge the golfer.  Which become necessary for the 4900 yards to challenge.


Troy
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Marc Haring

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2007, 07:36:42 AM »
That planimeter thing is great :)

Painswick is coming in at around 42 acres. I thought it was dangerous :o

My courses at Cumberwell are around 380. No wonder I spend my life on a mower.
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2007, 07:49:54 AM »
Quote from: Adrian_Stiff on October 02, 2007, 12:23:46 PM
Belhus park near London is on 46 acres!


Adrian how do you know about Belhus Park?  It's about 3 miles from my office and I often use the terrible driving range on my way home.  I've yet to play the course, but I was not encoraged by the assistant pro who assurred me it was the best local course around.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2007, 08:02:43 AM »
Quote from: Michael Wharton-Palmer on October 02, 2007, 12:31:01 PM
Anybody know the acreage of Merion?
I would hazard a guess of this one of the smallest for a top quality US course.

the entire piece of land at merion is 125 acres according to geoff shackleford's book...

...we talked about the harry colt designed dun laoghaire in dublin here a while ago... it has just been sold for development... i think it played over 6,000 yards and i believe the course itself took up 68 acres...
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Tom Jefferson

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2007, 08:14:10 AM »
Bidwell Park Golf Course........Chico California..........6100 yards, par 70............76 acres.  

Holes 3-8 were parallel par 4s separated by tree lines, with center lines 35 (!) to 40 yards apart....like the fingers of your hand tightly together.   Imagine 81,000 rounds yearly..those holes were like playing inside a pinball machine..dangerous!

That issue led to an expanded routing of 86 acres....that felt spacious in comparison!

Tom
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David_Tepper

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Re:Compact courses
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2007, 08:26:42 AM »
I would love to know the acreage of DeLaveaga muni in Santa Cruz, CA. It is hard to imagine a par-72 course where there is less turf to mow.  
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