Par 5's with Dogleg Second Shots

[Phil Benedict]

The 11th at Cog Hill is unusual par 5 because the second shot sets up as a dogleg left.  Tiger cut the corner yesterday with a high fade to the front of the green, another great Tiger moment.

I don't know of many other par 5's that have this feature, but it's an interesting alternative to 600-yard plus par 5's.

[jim_lewis]

Phil:

I think they are refered to as "double doglegs". The 3rd hole on the Forest Creek North course is another example. It may be the best hole on the course.

Jim Lewis

[Joe Bausch]

There is a course in Drums, PA (near the Poconos) called Sand Springs with a very interesting double dogleg par 5, the 8th.  It is a wonderful risk/reward hole.  You can check out about 10 photos I took of the hole here:

http://tinyurl.com/3b5p9p

[Mike Benham]

Olympic Lake # 16 ... although for some the second dogleg is the third shot ...

[Bob Jenkins]

Sahalee #1 East.

[Jim_Kennedy]

Phil,
Is it unusual, or just a by-product of 300+ yd. drives?


edit: It's been a bunch of years, but doesn't the 10th on #2 at Pinehurst have a late dogleg?

[Adam Clayman]

IMO, The 11th at Cog Hill #4 is the convincing evidence that the #4 course was forced upon the land.

Making the decision to bulldoze the faciltiy, creating two premiere courses, optimal. Utilizing the excellent qualities that are inherent on many areas of that entire property.

[TEPaul]

The 13th hole at Lancaster CC is a par 5 with a real dogleg second shot like the one at Cog Hill except the 13th at Lancaster isn't that long and the second shot is also straight uphill.

Good players are generally within reach of the green distance-wise but there is virtually no way of getting it to the green from the drive, unless you hit the ball about a mile straight up in the air. I don't think anyone could get there but it did occur to me that perhaps Woods' could somehow.  

[Patrick_Mucci]

Jim Kennedy,

Yes, # 10 at # 2 is doglegged closer to the green.

[Jim_Kennedy]

Pat,
Thanks, I couldn't remember for sure.

[Robert Mercer Deruntz]

One of the most natural ones is to be found on the 11th at Desert Forrest.

[Evan_Smith]

The 8th at Pinewild Magnolia (Pinehurst) fits this exactly.  It's a great hole.  

The 11th at Treasure Lake (mountain course-I forget the name) in Pennslyvania also fits this, but it's not such a good hole.

I agree that it's a neat design aspect.  If you don't place your drive in a perfect spot, you either have to lay up, hit a huge cut or draw, or take it over trees where a miss could really hurt.  It's too bad there's not more of this in the game.

[wsmorrison]

Both the 17th and 18th holes at Rolling Green GC have dogleg second shot par 5s.  

The 17th has an unfortunately built up new back tee that looks bad from many angles and does not play as well as a ground level tee just to the left along the line of play.  It probably wasn't built because it would have meant taking down a number of trees, adding to the cost.  The cost would have been worth it since that would have added sunlight and air circulation to the habitually poor conditioned 16th green.  What was once a nice go-no go reachable par 5 is all but unreachable for nearly everyone.  A ground level tee would have made the three shot hole a bit more interesting as it would have been a better angle and make the hole play longer.  

The 18th should in no way be a par 5.  They've stretched the hole so there is a disconnect and you must hit a short second shot to clear the corner leaving a short approach whereas if they left the hole as it was and merely made it a par 4 from the existing middle tees (making them the championship tees) and a par 5 from the existing back tees (making them the member tees) it would be more interesting.  The fact that the new back tee is under and directly north of a very large tree adds to the poor decision process.  This ultimate hole should play as a difficult par 4 (the green is certainly large and receptive enough) and not a singularly bad finishing par 5.  

[Kevin Pallier]

15th at National Moonah springs to mind. Very testing uphill P5 that has a double dogleg.

[JSPayne]

To me, the 4th hole at Poppy Hills GC in Monterey plays as a "double dog-leg". Very similar to the one at Cog Hill for the pros since they can drive over the right fairway bunker off the tee and have a long iron shot over the trees on the left corner in front of the green.

[Mike Benham]

To me, the 4th hole at Poppy Hills GC in Monterey plays as a "double dog-leg". Very similar to the one at Cog Hill for the pros since they can drive over the right fairway bunker off the tee and have a long iron shot over the trees on the left corner in front of the green.

[Michael J. Moss]

Number 4: Winged Foot East. It's the boomerang shaped par-5. in the middle of the satelite image. The drive is over water.

http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&trf=0&lon=-73.751038&lat=40.961753&mag=2

[Ken Moum]

Two of my least-favorite par fives are nearly 90-degree second shot doglegs, and they are on the same course.

They are the sixth and fifteenth at Meadowbrook Golf Course in Rapid City, SD.

The frustrating thing about them is that because of the severe bend, and the height of the trees, you  can hit what appears to be a perfect layup, and still not have a shot at the green in regulation.

If the layup is a bit too long or short, you can be faced with chipping the ball down the fairway to get a clear fourth shot.

I suppose if you played it every day, you'd learn how far you had to hit the second from every conceivable drive, but for someone who played in a tournament for a few days now and then, it was almost impossible.

K

[Scott Szabo]

Wild Horse #6 is a par five with a blind tee shot bending to the right, with a second shot to the green that goes left around a dune.  Fun hole with room to run it up or feed it onto the green from the high right side.  Huge drop off from the left side of the green leaves a nasty third shot if one misses the green.