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Mike Benham

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Who am I - #3?
« on: January 04, 2008, 12:16:50 PM »
This might be easier ...

And how does this hole rate as a short risk/reward par-4?

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Tom Huckaby

Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 12:19:31 PM »
Heck even I know that one.

Never been there, though.  I hear it's gone through extensive changes recently.

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Kyle Henderson

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2008, 12:19:44 PM »
Hawaii.
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Garland Bayley

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 12:30:33 PM »
What risk/reward? Wouldn't the best and safest line be down the right side?
EDIT: Don't know the length. Do you mean risk/reward on how far you drive the ball? If it is reachable, or nearly so, then it would seem too risky to try to reach.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2008, 12:33:19 PM by Garland Bayley »
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Tom Huckaby

Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2008, 12:34:27 PM »
Garland:  sure, but I think the question might be how FAR to go toward the green. As I say I've never been there, and I suck at estimating distance.  But if that hole is 300 or less, there might be great temptation to wack one at the right side, hoping for the kick down toward and perhaps on to the green.  If the hole is over 350, then I'm with you, there's little thought involved here outside of stay right, pick a distance that feels right.

TH
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Lloyd_Cole

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 12:35:24 PM »
I have no interest in going to Hawaii, but this hole looks very cool. If the grass is kept short enough to try to play the ball off the slope short and right of the green I'd be game to give it a go.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2008, 12:36:37 PM by Lloyd_Cole »
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Sean Leary

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2008, 12:57:37 PM »
I gave it a go, hit one right center and it ended up bouncing into the hazard left. This hole looks better than it is...
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Mike Benham

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2008, 01:05:18 PM »
Garland / Tom -

Perhaps Leary can confirm but from the tips I believe it is 330 yards, not sure of the prevailing winds.

I also believe it is the 16th hole on the card which might make it an interesting match play hole late in the round.
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rjsimper

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2008, 01:07:54 PM »
I have heard from a couple who have played it that this may be one of the worst holes on the course
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2008, 01:10:06 PM »
You'd have to be crazy - or three down - to hit a drive past those last palm trees.    :-\
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Garland Bayley

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 01:31:24 PM »
Ryan,

It sure isn't a CPC #16, is it? ;)
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Jeff Evagues

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 02:31:35 PM »
I was there not long ago. The entire back nine is closed for extensive renovation - apparently some housing and trying to make a few more holes on the water.
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Sean Leary

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2008, 02:44:19 PM »
Quote from: Mike Benham on January 04, 2008, 01:05:18 PM
Garland / Tom -

Perhaps Leary can confirm but from the tips I believe it is 330 yards, not sure of the prevailing winds.

I also believe it is the 16th hole on the card which might make it an interesting match play hole late in the round.

Sounds about right. It is also significantly downhill, which is hard to see here. Simper has to worry about the water right more than left ;)
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2008, 04:01:15 PM »
from the back tee:


from the next up tee:


from right side of fairway:


An iron from the tips (not worth it to go for it) left me 90 yards away here:


The green is practically dead flat, IIRC (mini lighthouse at left, stringbean putting):


Approaching from above:


Taken through the floor of the helicopter:
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Mike Benham

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2008, 04:13:45 PM »
A picture is worth a thousands words and 7 pictures tell the whole story ....
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Lloyd_Cole

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2008, 04:46:59 PM »
On second thoughts, after seeing these photos - No thanks. That is too narrow to go at.
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Lynn_Shackelford

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2008, 04:53:07 PM »
I have played it a few times.  One of the prettiest holes on the course and one of the worst to play.  As I recall about a 4 iron off the tee with no other option available.
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Matthew Hunt

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2008, 04:56:29 PM »
This hole looks to play the same as 14 on RCD's second course. Its a godd Matchplay hole to go for the green but is a boring 4-iron, Wedge in strokeplay.
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Tom Yost

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2008, 05:46:27 PM »
Someone name names please.

Sure looks different from the tee vs. that first aerial.
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John Kirk

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2008, 06:02:37 PM »
Overall, a pretty good course.  At least, I thought so in early 1992 when I played it.

Kauai.
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Mike Benham

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2008, 06:04:12 PM »
On Kauai, this is the 16th hole at Kauai Lagoons Kiele Course, a Nicklaus design.
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Mark Chaplin

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2008, 06:53:10 PM »
What a disappointment the aerial looks great then from ground level it looks awful. Looks like a risk or failure hole to me....just no sign of a reward!
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2008, 07:08:32 PM »
I believe the renovation of the back nine is tearing up one of the other coastal holes, but they're leaving this one ... probably just because the view across the little bay does not make it prime Hawaiian real estate.

Just goes to show you that coastal property doesn't guarantee one of the great courses in the world.
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Ryan Farrow

Re:Who am I - #3?
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2008, 07:57:29 PM »
Quote from: Mark Chaplin on January 04, 2008, 06:53:10 PM
What a disappointment the aerial looks great then from ground level it looks awful. Looks like a risk or failure hole to me....just no sign of a reward!

Ditto.
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