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Patrick_Mucci

NGLA - What do you think
« on: August 22, 2002, 05:42:58 PM »
Rumor has it that a few changes are in store for NGLA shortly.

That # 7 will be made a par 4 from a shorter tee

That # 15 will have a new tee back and left

That # 18 will have a new tee back and right, across the road.

That other changes will occur and that other changes are being considered.

What do you think ?
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ed_getka

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2002, 05:59:05 PM »
Why would they be considering changes when it is so universally hailed as a brilliant design?
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"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2002, 06:33:06 PM »
Ed Getka,

I think there is a school of thought, within the club, that the
famous road hole at TOC is a par 4, hence # 7 should be a par 4.

I also believe that there may be a contingent within the club, that feel that the ball and equipment have altered the strategy and play of a few holes, and this is an attempt to return  or restore strategy to the course and offset the  increased distances golfers are hitting the ball.

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ed_getka

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2002, 07:32:30 PM »
Is the membership there that long off the tee? What percentage of players that are fortunate enough to play there are long enough to make the course obsolete in your opinion? Does that number justify the changes that are proposed in your opinion?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by 1056376800 »
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

brad_miller

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2002, 07:37:04 PM »
Might #5 be a better candidate for conversion to par 4? Blind second for most? (at least me) but a MUCH easier green complex to deal with.
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SPDB1

Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2002, 06:18:17 AM »
pat -
shouldn't more deference be given to MacD's design intent, than to the hole upon which it is based? MacD and Raynor designed a number of road holes that play to par of 5 (Camargo, off the top of my head). Should all of these be transferred to 4?

Some of the road holes are remarkably similar in strategy to the original (Piping comes to mind), but the overwhelming theme of all of the versions seem to emphasize the approach more than anything else.
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Jeff_Lewis

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2002, 06:46:54 AM »
Pat,

On 15, don't you think the bunkers are appropriately in play from the current tee? As for 18, why change it? And, as for 7, who cares what par is? The short 5s at National are 5s into the wind and 4s with the wind, right? Does the scorecard matter that much to how one plays the hole?
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Gene Greco

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2002, 09:36:36 AM »
The course only needs to be maintained as hard and fast. Period.

Everything else is moot.

The powers that be at NGLA are intelligent; they wouldn't carve their initials into a Rolls Royce.
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"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

ed_getka

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2002, 09:47:55 AM »
Gene,
 Then why do you think changes are being contemplated? I can't understand why a course most of us would dearly love to have an opportunity to see would tinker with such a classic.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by 1056376800 »
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Mike_Cirba

Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2002, 10:32:40 AM »
Re: #7, wouldn't playing from a forward tee tend to negate the strategy of the drive, which is to bite off as much of the carry to the right as one dares to provide the optimum angle down the length of the green for the approach, hopefully avoiding some sort of carry over the road hole bunker on the approach?  
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Mitch Hantman

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2002, 02:41:31 PM »
I think an important point to remember is that #17 at St. Andrews
was originally a par 5.
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Mitch Hantman

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2002, 02:42:51 PM »
I think an important point to remember is that #17 at St. Andrews
was originally a par 5.
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Gene Greco

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2002, 05:30:28 PM »
Ed:

    Maybe a group had one too many Southsides at some point this summer and a few "bright" ideas were concocted.

With the POSSIBLE exception of a new tee back and left on 15 which might present the hole as more receptive to the eye, all are simply stupid ideas and would serve no purpose in enhancing one's experience at one of the finest golf courses in all the world.

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"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

ed_getka

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Re: NGLA - What do you think
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2002, 07:16:51 PM »
Aha! Better living through chemistry. ;) Thats certainly a plausible explanation.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by 1056376800 »
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

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