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Matt_Cohn

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Romero or Van de Velde
« on: July 22, 2007, 12:13:03 PM »
Worse decision?

I'll say Romero.


Worse bounce?

Tough question. Probably two of the worst bounces in major championship history.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2007, 12:25:17 PM by Matt_Cohn »
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Tim Bert

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 12:19:52 PM »
Van de Velde made a series of bad decisions, compounded by poor execution.  Romero made a bad decision, compounded a bit by bad execution, but also impacted by extremely poor luck.  Based on the final result, some may decide that Romero's decision was worse, but I think it was the crazy bounce he got that will drive a good portion of that reaction.
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Jesse Jones

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 12:32:12 PM »

Who in the world attempts to hit the deuce from that lie?

Still, it's Van De Velde.
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Garland Bayley

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 01:05:56 PM »
Harrington is the new champ!
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"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Craig Sweet

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 01:07:35 PM »
Was that the Who's Teenage Wasteland taking us into the commercial?
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Tim Bert

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2007, 01:07:50 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 22, 2007, 01:05:56 PM
Harrington is the new champ!

Let's give Garcia a fair chance to play the hole first...
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Garland Bayley

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2007, 01:17:55 PM »
Tim,

You misunderstand me. Harrington is the new champ for pressure clamps on the swing on the 18th.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2007, 01:25:33 PM »
I think Tim meant that we need to give Sergio a chance for a bad swing under pressure before before we say Harrington's made the worst pressure swing.

Sergio's two irons on 18 weren't perfect but they were OK, certainly better than Harrington's.
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Tim Bert

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2007, 01:32:48 PM »
Matt is correct about what I meant.  I understood your comment Garland.

Extra innings!!  Free golf!!!

Europe has the Major monkey off the back, but who is going to step up?  I'm rooting for Padraig, but I think Sergio will get it done.  I don't have any problem with Sergio, but I think the way he played today he shouldn't get any further opportunity.  He squandered quite the lead.
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rboyce

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2007, 01:36:22 PM »
all the songs going into commercials have been from the British Isles.

I've noticed Pink Floyd, The Who (especially Eminence Front), George Harrison, U2, Queen/David Bowie, and there have probably been a bunch more.

Nice touch...
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Brian_Sleeman

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2007, 01:38:49 PM »
A lot of Beatles, too.  Though this is nothing new for ABC's golf coverage - for the last 10+ years they've had a tendency to use almost all classic rock for their music...
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Kyle Harris

Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2007, 01:41:16 PM »
Hearing Nineteen Hundred Eighty Five (solo McCartney) on Friday made me waste about 2 hours figuring it out on my piano. I know now it through.

You know... some Genesis would be nice... sure as hell beats "Long Distance Runaround" by No.
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2007, 01:43:30 PM »
Quote from: Tim Bert on July 22, 2007, 01:32:48 PM
Europe has the Major monkey off the back, but who is going to step up?  I'm rooting for Padraig, but I think Sergio will get it done.  I don't have any problem with Sergio, but I think the way he played today he shouldn't get any further opportunity.  He squandered quite the lead.

I don't understand this about getting another opportunity. Doesn't he deserve it due to his play the first three rounds?

I see it more as simple math....Sergio and Padraig finished 4 rounds with the same low number, now one of them will finish it off with a lower number.

Joe
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2007, 01:45:16 PM »
Quote from: Kyle Harris on July 22, 2007, 01:41:16 PM
... sure as hell beats "Long Distance Runaround" by No.

Now now, Kyle...no need to be a pianist head about this.....

 :)

Joe
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Brian_Ewen

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2007, 01:48:36 PM »
SONGS ?
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Tim Bert

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2007, 01:48:50 PM »
Based on the overall score and the way he played the first three rounds, he deserves it.  Didn't mean to imply otherwise.

I'm rooting for Padraig to finish off a great day (except for the terrible finish.)  When I said he shouldn't get another opportunity, I meant in my rooting interest.  Sergio had every opportunity to coast today and didn't take advantage of it.  I understand that math that dictates the final score.  I'm just rooting for the guy that game out firing during the final round pressure.  I'd have been rooting for Romero had he made it to this point.

I'm sorry if my post implied that it was a matter of deserving the chance.  Of course he deserves it.  He shot the best score.
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rboyce

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2007, 02:01:44 PM »
just remembered hearing the Cure yesterday. They just played "Hungry Like the Wolf" by Duran Duran.
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Kalen Braley

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2007, 03:48:26 PM »
Quote from: rboyce on July 22, 2007, 01:36:22 PM
all the songs going into commercials have been from the British Isles.

I've noticed Pink Floyd, The Who (especially Eminence Front), George Harrison, U2, Queen/David Bowie, and there have probably been a bunch more.

Nice touch...

Also some depeche mode, rolling stones, coldplay and cure.....

Hmmm i'm detecting a theme to the selected artists...   ;)
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CHrisB

Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2007, 04:10:25 PM »
I don't know which was the worse decision, but the bad break that JVV got was far far worse than the one Romero got. If Romero's ball stays in the burn instead of going OB, he drops, hits 4 onto the green, and probably still makes 6. If JVV's ball goes anywhere else besides exactly where it did, he couldn't help but win the tournament!

Besides, the shot that Romero hit was WAY worse than the one JVV hit, so he didn't exactly deserve anything great to happen there.

Either way, Romero's caddie and Jean Van de Velde's caddie should be the charter members of the Bad Caddie Hall of Fame--at some point you have to be able to know the situation and talk your player out of taking an unnecessary risk. But I know that's probably too harsh--the truth may be that caddies, too, have to be able to control their emotions and decision-making just as their players do, and until they've "been there", they too are prone to mental errors that can lose major championships.
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Kalen Braley

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2007, 04:30:59 PM »
Quote from: Chris Brauner on July 22, 2007, 04:10:25 PM
I don't know which was the worse decision, but the bad break that JVV got was far far worse than the one Romero got. If Romero's ball stays in the burn instead of going OB, he drops, hits 4 onto the green, and probably still makes 6. If JVV's ball goes anywhere else besides exactly where it did, he couldn't help but win the tournament!

Besides, the shot that Romero hit was WAY worse than the one JVV hit, so he didn't exactly deserve anything great to happen there.

Either way, Romero's caddie and Jean Van de Velde's caddie should be the charter members of the Bad Caddie Hall of Fame--at some point you have to be able to know the situation and talk your player out of taking an unnecessary risk. But I know that's probably too harsh--the truth may be that caddies, too, have to be able to control their emotions and decision-making just as their players do, and until they've "been there", they too are prone to mental errors that can lose major championships.

Thats right.

They've got to pull the caddy trick from Tin Cup and start snapping clubs over thier knee...  :)
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Mark Bourgeois

Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2007, 05:22:56 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on July 22, 2007, 03:48:26 PM
Quote from: rboyce on July 22, 2007, 01:36:22 PM
all the songs going into commercials have been from the British Isles.

I've noticed Pink Floyd, The Who (especially Eminence Front), George Harrison, U2, Queen/David Bowie, and there have probably been a bunch more.

Nice touch...

Also some depeche mode, rolling stones, coldplay and cure.....

Hmmm i'm detecting a theme to the selected artists...   ;)

The best was when they went with Verve's "Bitter Sweet Symphony" at the end of regulation:

You know I can change, I can change
I can change, I can change
But I’m here in my mold
I am here in my mold
And I’m a million different people
From one day to the next
I can’t change my mold
No, no, no, no, no

Mark
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Joel_Stewart

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2007, 05:23:33 PM »
Romero by a long shot.  Van de Velde had 195 into the green and just hit a bad shot and got a bad bounce.  I remember him talking at the press conference and saying as a pro he could hit it 195 yards in his sleep.

Romero trying to hit 2 iron was just stupid.
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Phil McDade

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2007, 06:27:38 PM »
Van de Velde had a much better lie for his second than Romero. VdV's stupidest shot was the third one.
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Craig Sweet

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Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2007, 06:31:08 PM »
Van de Velde hit driver...not necessary considering he thought he had a two shot lead.
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TEPaul

Re:Romero or Van de Velde
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2007, 08:55:13 PM »
"Who in the world attempts to hit the deuce from that lie?"

I guess just a guy who makes ten birdies in the final round of "The Open". ;)
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