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Garland Bayley

Re:Tell me about when you were a high handicapper
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2007, 11:59:25 AM »
BTW, anyone hitting putts "very erratic" should probably reconsider their involvement with this game.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

George Pazin

Re:Tell me about when you were a high handicapper
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2007, 12:10:13 PM »
George,

I played with two friends this weekend and neither one broke 100.  I can't say I noticed a general pattern to where they lost strokes.  They were just generally inconsitent with every shot.  They would par one hole and take a triple bogey on thier next 3-4.

Tee shots, iron shots, chips, and putts all just very erratic.  I don't really think they thought about "interfacing" with the architecture.  Most of the time they were just trying to keep it in play and out of trouble.  That being said it was interesting to observe as they didnt make any club adjustments for the wind which was about a 1-1.5 club wind all day long.

This is probably closest to my general observations.

The standard approach seems to be just that HHers just hit it shorter - so just play the up tees!

That doesn't match well with my observations. What HHers need more than anything is forgiveness - width, non-death-penalty hazards, etc.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Kalen Braley

Re:Tell me about when you were a high handicapper
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2007, 01:52:30 PM »
Just a few thoughts on the last few comments.  And yes this is only from 2 data points...

But the guys I played with would occasionally drive it past me.  The difference is that it was usually followed up with a topped iron that goes into the bunker, and then two more to get out of the bunker followed by a 3 jack...

Whereas as a general rule for mid-cappers such as myself if I hit a bad tee shot, I can usually follow it up with a decent recovery to at least get myself into position to shoot no worse than bogie.  However High cappers are never out of the danger zone until the ball goes in the cup right?   ;)

As a general rule George has it right, lots of forgiveness with little trouble to be found is good for them.

That being said I would think one of the most difficult aspects to design is keeping it playable for the HHs and interesting for the low handicapper.  I often heard its all about the greens, but would imagine there is more to be considered off the tee and in the fairways...


Garland Bayley

Re:Tell me about when you were a high handicapper
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2007, 02:31:10 PM »
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That being said I would think one of the most difficult aspects to design is keeping it playable for the HHs and interesting for the low handicapper.  I often heard its all about the greens, but would imagine there is more to be considered off the tee and in the fairways...



Try Rustic Canyon.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Matthew Hunt

Re:Tell me about when you were a high handicapper
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2007, 04:45:11 PM »
Nickalous hasnt been a 'hacker' since he was 10 and even I at 15 find it hard to remember my thoughts on the golf course at that age.

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