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Ray Richard

Re:Opinions on course difficulty---from supers!
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2007, 09:03:44 AM »
When I was a superintendent I wanted to play golf 5 times a week but I was really tired of looking at my course after a long day, so I joined a nearby private club and that worked out quite well. I remained a low key member, staying totally out of club politics, and it was a great escape. I really enjoyed hearing the omnipresent gripes about how the course was set up from my playing companions-it really moderated my course setup perspective.

Once a week I forced myself to play my own course, either alone or with a few members, to get a feel for the needs of the membership.

 The original architect wanted large expanses of "meadow grasses blowing in the wind" which would have made half the course unplayable. Working as team( members, management, and me), we kept the theme but reduced the rough acreage significantly. On a daily basis, we tried to set up 1/3 of the course rather difficult, 1/3 medium difficult, and 1/3 moderate. We would change this based on the type of tournament that was scheduled, working closely with the GM and golf pro.

 The day to day setup was based on fairness. I didn't want to hear from the club management that the course was set up unfairly so we were sure the flags were placed in suitable areas.  Mowing limits and heights were based on a consensus approach.

Kenny Lee Puckett

Re:Opinions on course difficulty---from supers!
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2007, 10:14:24 AM »
Craig Sweet -  

You worte:  "I know that might scare some people, but we live with this course everyday and there are some architectural features that just don't work...either from a maintinence or a playability point of view..."

Can you kindly elaborate on which features don't work either from the maintainance or playability point of view.  I am curious.  I you can't maintain it, why build it?/If it doesn't work, why keep it?

JWK

Michael Hayes

Re:Opinions on course difficulty---from supers!
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2007, 11:07:28 AM »
Great topic and wonderful thoughts from some quality supers.  My 2 cents won't add a lot but her it goes...  

Having worked at private clubs and now in a mountain resort setting, my course setup attitudes have changed.  At a private club I pushed the envelope more in terms of hole location and green speed in order to spice things up for the 350 regular players.  Now in a resort environment where we do 15-20K rounds in 6 months I see new faces every single day.  The players at a resort course are on vacation, they want to have fun, score reasonably well and socialize.  I see very little grinding and alot more beer drinking.  My response from a maintenance stand point has been to widen fairway areas on the correct line of play giving visual clues to the 1st timer.  Green speeds around 9 are just fine, the key is having them super smooth.  My course has elevation changes galore that require pretty precise play off the tee to score really well.

Thinking about this again, I feel that I have probably grown up some too.  When I was a green Super at age 27, I took it personally when somebody tore through my course.  Now 10 years later I would buy the guy a beer and ask to hear about his round.


Architectually, I'm at a 27 year old Bob Baldock course.  Tree removal and tee renovation is a major way to add some more variety to the golf course, my playing corridors are establish and really can't be tweaked all that much...

Again great topic and discussion, this is why I love this group...

Michael Hayes
Bandonistas Unite!!!

Craig Sweet

Re:Opinions on course difficulty---from supers!
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2007, 04:42:31 PM »
James...architectural "features" that are difficult to maintain...a lot of rough...mounds around greens...huge bunkers....trees....tee boxes too small for the amount of play...greens that slope from the back down to front (the fronts get beat up)

We are a muni doing 50,000 rounds between March 1st and November 1st...

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