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Mark Bourgeois

Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« on: July 16, 2007, 03:12:52 PM »
Lawrence Donegan wrote this.  Amazing what a "minority" of golfers can do in a club -- does that imply majority complicity:
Link to Guardian story.

Some will read a broader message on the state of junior golf and minority participation in golf in America, at least in the 1980s and early 1990s.  But we know these things now lie exclusively in our nation's past.

Mark

George Pazin

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 03:21:45 PM »
Lotsa small people in the world.

Guess Tiger got the last laugh.
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Tommy Williamsen

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007, 03:30:59 PM »
Family systems therapy maintains that the sickest person in the family tends to call the shots.  It works for clubs as well.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

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Tiger_Bernhardt

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2007, 03:43:53 PM »
I think David Toms, Arnold Palmer and anyone else who ever gave The Navy Club anything should take it back for it reflects on them. I am amazed this could happen in Southern California at a Military Club. I could not and would not be a Member of a club that allows those actions to happen, Period!!

Michael Christensen

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2007, 03:44:00 PM »
too bad we don't have any names for these idiots.....it would be nice to shine some light on these blatant racists....I find it hard to believe many clubs would have done this...to not even acknowledge a us junior or us amateur champion is plain stupid

Jim Franklin

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2007, 04:43:47 PM »
Wow, I am speechless. To think this happened not too long ago makes me sick.
Mr Hurricane

Garland Bayley

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2007, 04:43:55 PM »
... is plain stupid

A pretty concise way to define racist.
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Phil_the_Author

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2007, 07:07:01 PM »
If I could make a suggestion to Tiger it would be for him to consider what he so recently said about wanting to renovate a golf course at an armed forces base.

He should offer to do it there.

He should do it and insist that the opening day could only be played by military personnel and their children who are minorities.

Send a HUGE message...

redanman

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2007, 07:29:41 PM »
"It was only a small group but they were in a position of power at the club. They had the choice to make life easy for Tiger or make life difficult. They chose the latter path," says Joe Grohman, who was an assistant professional at Navy in the early 90s.[i/]

Phil,

Maybe he has his revenge already; that could be a big part of the reason that he's so mentally tough.

John Kavanaugh

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2007, 07:31:00 PM »
This is so tragic I'm surprised 50 cent hasn't written a song.

Tiger couldn't display no trophy
Tida had to take home her sushi
You don't bring no food from home here
You carry a receipt out of fear
He trash talk Navy crackers on the course
Now he be winning claret jugs from the gorse
I gave him an extra bucket because he swings sweet
Earl got him a private membership comped up the street
Bring it home, bring it home, bring it on home
Free lessons for Sam if you just call my phone
I wouldn't give a dame if you weren't now famous
Plenty of dead forgotten boiler room grunts named Amos


Please note the parody above is to point out how rediculous it is to get up in arms about how Tiger was treated when the very thing happens everyday in you home town.  If you only knew the child being offended would some day grow up to be great you might actually do something.

Gary Daughters

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2007, 07:36:36 PM »
It makes me want to take back the negative things I have said about Tiger.

Like the rest of us he has his flaws, but this is bullshit.

It's a part of his life I had always imagined was there but had never seen documented.  I'm sure he's suffered worse.  And probably still does.  (Should you doubt this, come to Atlanta and drive 20 miles out in any direction.)

« Last Edit: July 16, 2007, 08:43:38 PM by Gary Daughters »
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Garland Bayley

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2007, 07:39:32 PM »
This kind of speaks to the great respect Tiger holds for Nelson Mandella.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

John Kavanaugh

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2007, 07:40:45 PM »
It kinda speaks to the blind eye of the NCAA and USGA....Comped membership???

Pat Brockwell

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2007, 08:04:28 PM »
For Tiger to take such any ugly history and turn it into the brilliance that he now displays only deepens my respect.  Through his success he has made the indignities of his past the foundation for his present, and in a way redeemed the racists by thwarting them completely.  I can only imagine that they are choking on their own bile, which is poetic justice and the beauty of karma all rolled into a golf ball on it's way into the hole.

Pete_Pittock

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2007, 08:19:38 PM »
Will any American media will pick up this story?  Or is it an old, recycled one that I have forgotten?

Kalen Braley

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2007, 08:22:59 PM »
While I can't say I'm necessarily on board with J/Ks methods, I would very much agree with the part that it still happens today....

I wouldn't call this a issue that "lies exclusively in our nation's past."


Dan Herrmann

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2007, 08:35:15 PM »
Unfortunately, this still happens today.  Every day, and in every state.  At play and at work.  You wouldn't have ever hear this story if Tiger were a lifelong 15 handicap.

Taking from the spirit of what John K said, we should try to treat every young person as one with limitless potential that can only benefit from our brotherly love.

Thanks for posting the article.  
« Last Edit: July 16, 2007, 08:37:38 PM by Dan Herrmann »

Gary Daughters

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2007, 08:42:20 PM »

"Taking from the spirit of what John K said, we should try to treat every young person as one with limitless potential that can only benefit from our brotherly love."

Dan,

Well said

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John Kavanaugh

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2007, 08:50:32 PM »
The very fact that a private club would comp his family a membership solely on his golf talents should be celebrated.  Let's not forget this was a full 7 years before Rodney King and the following LA Riots.   Only 20 years later Jan Stephenson was calling for the thinning of Asians from the LPGA.  We have come a long way from asking a 14 year old to carry a receipt.

Mark Bourgeois

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2007, 09:30:01 PM »
Pete,

I wondered that, too.  I think what's news is that the club is admitting to something it denied before, plus Donegan provides new examples and sheds more light on the extent and nature of the discrimination.

I did a search and came up with two references. When you pair those references with the Donegan article ... well, it made me wonder what an expert in civil rights law would conclude.

One reference was a 1996 Newsweek cover article.  It quoted a family friend who said Tiger was the only person for whom the club enforced a rule that children could only play with an adult.  This friend also said, "The guys in the pro shop were always being asked if he paid for everything."

Paul Moreno, at the time a NGC employee for 30 years and manager, was asked to comment.  He said, "I can't give out that information. I can't answer any personal questions."

Another friend was quoted in that article as saying he would try to bring up the treatment to Tiger but Tiger always changed the subject.

Then there was an LA Times column in the year 2000 by Jerry Hicks recommending Orange County name something after Tiger. Hicks mentioned the Navy Club -- and this part deserves to be quoted:


"Woods played most of his adolescent golf at the old Navy Club in Cypress, which purposely keeps no Woods commemorations on display. That's because five years ago Woods told Newsweek magazine he considered it a racist golf course.  'Until Tiger apologizes, no one here wants anything to do with him,' said old Navy pro Dan Rasmussen, who has played dozens of rounds with Woods."


FYI nowhere in that article does Tiger say anything about the club, although a few grafs later he was quoted as saying, "Prejudice will always reign. I won't end it."

And there WAS a quote from Earl that "it's their loss. Tiger won't go near the place anymore."  The piece said when Earl first started playing there, some white golfers called him "Sergeant Brown" -- "brown for his skin and sergeant for the highest rank they figured an African-American could attain."

Mark

Jimmy Chandler

Re:Wow, What a Bunch of Idiotic Miscreants
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2007, 10:51:48 PM »
Reminds me of one of the greatest parodies The Onion ever produced:

"Augusta National Honors Tiger Woods With Own Drinking Fountain"

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29676

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