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Dan Moore

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Langford and Moreau Tour: Pairings Announced
« on: July 13, 2007, 06:27:00 PM »
We (Dick Daley, Mike McGuire and Dan Moore) are pleased to announce that we have finalized all arrangements for a Golf Club Atlas Architectural Tour of Langford and Moreau in Wisconsin.

William B. Langford and Theodore J. Moreau were the most prolific architects in the Midwest during the first Golden Age of Golf Architecture.  They formed their partnership in 1918 just as the post-WWI boom in golf course construction was taking off.  According to Cornish and Whitten, over their career they completed more than 60 documented new courses designs and remodeled numerous others. They completed their most revered work at Lawsonia in 1930 just as the depression set in and put an almost complete end to new course construction.  Langford was just 42 and Moreau 40.  As many architects have improved with time and experience one can only imagine what they would have accomplished had they been able to continue their work over the next 20 years.      

Our tour of Langford and Moreau in Wisconsin will give us a look at a fascinating cross section of their 1920's work and how it has evolved over the years.  We will start at Spring Valley CC (1927)  (originally Our Country Club) in Salem, Wi.  Owner Harry Bairstow, a business associate of Langford and Moreau at Mid-City GC in Chicago, mandated that the course be built without sand even though over 65 bunkers can be seen in the original plans.  The course went out of commission during WWII only to be brought back to life in the 1950's by the father of the current owner.  At Spring Valley we will be joined by Chicago based architect Dave Esler (Black Sheep CC Golfweek Top 100 Modern) who played the course as a teenage golfer before his NCAA career at Ohio State University (4 Big Ten Championships).  Dave has worked on Langford Moreau courses in the Chicago area and is very familiar with the Culver Academies course and will provide his insight on Langford/Moreau and Spring Valley.    
Spring Valley 7


After Spring Valley we will proceed north into the Kettle Moraine area of Wisconsin just 25 minutes north of Erin Hills.  At West Bend CC Langford and Moreau designed 18 holes, but only 9 were built in 1930 on some terrific property.  Many years later the club expanded to 18 holes but did not use Langford and Moreau’s plans.  At West Bend we will play the Langford/Moreau nine and can take a look at what might have been on the back nine.  At sunset we will enjoy a traditional Wisconsin Friday night Fish Fry dinner in the Langford Room of the Frank Lloyd Wright inspired clubhouse.  There is still a possibility we will be joined by architect Ron Prichard who will discuss his work on a long range plan for the club and his work at Skokie CC where Langford remodeled 12 holes of an original Ross design when new land became available.
West Bend’s 3rd  


Lawsonia needs little introduction to GCA participants.  Suffice it to say Lawsonia is considered by many to be their crown jewel.  Almost lost during WWII when the front nine was used a cow pasture, the course has been improved considerably in recent years under the guidanace of a Ron Forse Master Plan.  In 2005 Lawsonia celebrated its 75th anniversary and to honor the occasion received the putter William Langford used throughout his playing days which was donated by his granddaughter.   They also received an oil painting of Langford (a similar painting of Seth Raynor by the same artist graces the clubhouse at the Chicago Golf Club) and both items are now displayed in Lawsonia’s Clubhouse.   Director of Golf Gary Zimmerman and Mike Berwick will be on hand to discuss the history and ongoing restoration efforts.
Lawsonia’s 6th


Our tour will conclude on Sunday at Ozaukee CC in Mequon, Wi.  where we will be joined by architect Ron Forse.  Nestled along the Milwaukee River the course may have lost some of its original character over the years but is still known for its undulating greens and is considered one of the best courses in the Milwaukee area along with Colt Alison’s Milwaukee CC and Raynor’s Blue Mound CC.  Built in 1922 the course hosted the 1929 Western Open won by Tommy Armour.  The course has special significance to the Moreau family as Theodore J. Moreau met his wife while working on the course; she just happened to be the daughter of one of the members who founded the club and hired Langford/Moreau to design and build the course.  Moreau’s grandson, Ted Moreau, is a member at Ozaukee and helped make our visit possible.  He and his brothers will be joining us for all or part of our tour.  We will have a wonderful opportunity to learn more about Theodore Moreau’s role in the Langford/Moreau firm.  At Ozaukee Ron Forse will present a slide show on Langford and Moreau and discuss his work at Lawsonia and Ozaukee.  


Those of us familiar with Langford Moreau courses are very excited.  Those of you who will be seeing their courses for the first time are in for a treat.  Please join us.

Here are the details.  


Dates:     Friday September 7th to Sunday September 9th

Events:

Friday September 7th
8:00am
Spring Valley Country Club  
Owners John and Dave Wagner
Presentation on L/M by Chicago Architect Dave Esler (confirmed)

3:00pm
West Bend Country Club (Langford Moreau Nine)
Welcome Mike McGuire (WBCC Green Committee Chair)
Presentation by Architect Ron Prichard (pending) Master Plan WBCC
Fish Fry Dinner in the Langford Room at West Bend CC

Saturday September 8th:   
7:10am
Lawsonia Links 36 Holes
Welcome Dick Daley and Dan Moore
Presentation on Lawsonia by Director of Golf Gary Zimmerman and Superintendent Mike Berwick (confirmed)
Dinner J.T. Skewers Host Jeff Pentkewicz former DOG at Lawsonia

Sunday September 9th:   
10:30 am
Ozaukee Country Club
Welcome Ted Moreau (grandson of Theodore Moreau)
3:00 pm Slide show Presentation on L/M, Lawsonia and Ozaukee
by Architect Ron Forse (confirmed)


Green Fees:   $250 per participant for all three days (4.5 rounds)   


Price includes green fees only at Spring Valley, West Bend, Lawsonia and Ozaukee.  Cart or caddie fees not included, except at Lawsonia where carts are included in the all day rate.  Walking is strongly encouraged.  Green Fees Price does not include beverages, meals and overnight accommodations which will be the individual responsibility of each participant.  

Reservations:

We have 24 slots available for this event.  Reservations will be taken on a first come, first in basis.  Initially only GCA members will be able to fill positions.   In the event all slots are not taken by August 1st, we will make the remaining slots available to guests of GCA members.  If you are unable to participate all 3 days we will attempt to accommodate you while giving priority to full event participants.  We have some flexibility to expand or contract the size of the group each day so we anticipate this will not be a problem.      

All reservation requests must include a registration form and a check for full green fees.  We may not be able to provide a refund unless your slot can be filled.  

Accommodations:

We have made arrangements for housing starting as low as $15 per night per person for a no frills cabin to resort rooms starting at $230 a night for a lakeside hotel with many options in between.  

To obtain a registration form and information on housing please send a request to me at: troonster@aol.com
Note:  I will be away from my computer for most of the weekend but will get to you as soon as I can.  
« Last Edit: September 05, 2007, 02:34:19 PM by Dan Moore »
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Jeff Doerr

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Dan,

I wish I could be on the list. It looks like an outstanding tour!
"And so," (concluded the Oldest Member), "you see that golf can be of
the greatest practical assistance to a man in Life's struggle.”

Dan Moore

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We have a few spots filled so far so keep the inquiries coming.

Keep in mind the proximity of Erin Hills and Whistling Straits for anyone interested in somewhere to play before or after this event.  
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Tim_Cronin

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This looks like a great trip. If only it wasn't Western Open/Indy 300 weekend in Chicago, both of which I have to cover for the newspaper I work at. Ah well....
Keep ''em in the fairway, boys!
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Evan Fleisher

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I am quite interested in this one...will IM shortly!
Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

RJ_Daley

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Those that wish to come will get my home address on Dan's sign-up sheet for you to send the greens fees.  I will deposit your fees, and pay the fees to the appropriate golf operations by August 18.  It would be very good if you decided on this in the next 2 weeks and sent your checks by Aug 1.  Also, I will be posting a dinner menu choice that you can IM me.  It will be prime rib for sure, and we are still working out two other selections (fish or chicken)  You can pay for the meal that Saturday evening.

If you wish to speak to me, I will send my phone # to you on IM, not open forum...same with my home address, since there are so many spammers out there.

Once the green fees are paid, and you subsequently can't make it to one or all of the events, I can't guarantee you if we can get you a refund.  We will certainly try.  But, it will be out of my hands at that point.  

If you can only make part of the event, please send me the appropriate green fee listed, and a very specific statement of which course and rounds you are paying for, so I can keep a proper record and pay for the correct choice you make.  

Please read Dan's comprehensive course description and signup sheets for details.

In the event that we do not reach critical mass by August 7  for paying fees (to be fair to the golf operations with booking green fee slots), we will have to either pare down the event, or cancel.  Obviously, we can only wait and see to make such a decision.  Of course if it is cancelled, I will refund your money ASAP.

We will do as Mike Whitaker does with the Dixie Cup and bring this back up periodically to show who states they will come, who is confirmed by payment, and what courses they are going to play.  Also, indicate if you can, where you will be making your own reservation to stay.  You can use this thread and IMs to hook-up for sharing lodging, if you wish.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2007, 10:15:49 AM by RJ_Daley »
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Joe Hancock

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We have a few spots filled so far so keep the inquiries coming.

Keep in mind the proximity of Erin Hills and Whistling Straits for anyone interested in somewhere to play before or after this event.  

Dan,

With all due respect, this trip doesn't need any carrots dangled to get people to come. If our group can't recognize the quality of work that L&M did, then we don't deserve the hospitality and effort put forth but you and your fellow (affectionately named)Cheeseheads. I am still in discussion with my bride, to see if she will make the trip with me. If not, I will have to come and see what is being proposed at WBCC and bring Lawsonia to it's knees, all by myself....oh, and I may have to do a sampling of hoppy malt beverages that you all are famous for.

On that note, keep this as much about L&M as possible, otherwise it becomes L&M Light.....yuck... :)

Thanks for the efforts,

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Brad Swanson

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Well said Joe.  The courses Dan, Dick, and Mike have arranged for this tour stand tall on their own.  From my limited Langford/Moreau experience (Waukonda and Lawsonia), I can't wait to see more of their work.


Cheers,
Brad

RJ_Daley

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I will have to come and see what is being proposed at WBCC and bring Lawsonia to it's knees, all by myself....

Am I a late arrival on something?  Are you spreading rumors again Joey?  It sounds very intriguing and since I only saw the non-L&M 9 holes of WBCC once, my ears are perked up considering the possibilities.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2007, 12:02:05 PM by RJ_Daley »
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Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Dan -

this sounds like a great trip.  Having a severe case of Coastal Prejudice (growing up in Philadelphia and living in San Francisco for the past 10 years), I figured all golf in the Midwest, save the Kohler courses, was played on flat, uninteresting ground.

Having just returned from Lake Geneva (no golf was played), I was astounded by the rolling nature of the land in this part of the world.  Everywhere I looked I thought "wow, that would be a perfect place for a golf course".  I'm equally astounded that there aren't more classic, Old-Dead-Guy designed courses in this area... or are there?

Have a great couple of days!


Dan Moore

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Wayne,

Spring Valley is about 25 minutes from Lake Geneva.  There is an old Foulis course Lake Geneva CC on the South shore of Lake Geneva and an old Bendelow course Big Foot CC just off the SW corner of the Lake.  I think Foulis also did Hillmoor in Lake Geneva and Delbrook in Delevan not far from Lake Geneva.  

With no golf played sounds like you need to come back and join us.  
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Joe Hancock

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I will have to come and see what is being proposed at WBCC and bring Lawsonia to it's knees, all by myself....

Am I a late arrival on something?  Are you spreading rumors again Joey?  It sounds very intriguing and since I only saw the non-L&M 9 holes of WBCC once, my ears are perked up considering the possibilities.

Poorly phrased on my part....we're not part of anything at WBCC....

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Dan Moore

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Joe,

OK.  Here are some micro-carrots you will enjoy.

Capital Amber
Sprecher Black Bavarian
New Glarus Spotted Cow
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Dan Moore

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I was only scratching the surface of possibilities.  Let's not forget the Blue Bullet either.  
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Dan Moore

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We are looking pretty good after a few days but more spots are available.  
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

paul westland

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Dan.  I'm visiting family in Kenosha during this time and can commit to Spring Valley-West Bend on Friday; uncertain of Sat or Sun.  I played SV with my father several times as a kid, and remember John "Pick" Wagner, as a feared tenacious regional competitor. I will follow up with email to you. Cheers!8)

Dan Moore

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Great to hear you will be able to join us.  

"Pick" had a heart attack and died on the putting green in 1972.  In 1980 his son John purchased the course from the Bairstow family.  John still runs it with his son Dave.  John told me Pick was a member at Skokie CC and qualified as an amateur for the US Open in the 1950's.  Pick once shot a 59 at Spring Valley.  

I should add that Pick was responsible for bringing the course back to life when he leased the course from the Bairstow familiy in 1959 after it went to pasture during WWII.  
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 05:10:23 PM by Dan Moore »
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Jim Thompson

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RJ,

Joe and I are trying very hard to make this work.  Nate Golomb may also be a participant.  I'm at 90% if Joe can go and 80% if I'm flying solo.  As always I am doing my best to pull it off!!!  Should have a solid yea or nay by mid next week.

Cheers!

JT
Jim Thompson

Dan Moore

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Hey everyone.  We need to get you signed up soon.  Please send your registrations to Dick Daley and email me if you need the instructions sent to you.  

Keep in mind we will start to open this up after August 1st.  
« Last Edit: July 25, 2007, 03:52:08 PM by Dan Moore »
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Jason Mandel

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Dick,

On the advice of Dan Moore, I have booked my Tee time for my foursome at Lawsonia directly through Lawsonia for 10:30.  We are only going to play 18, and we decided to stay in Osh Kosh so I figured this was the best time to play.

As of now I am most likely out for Dinner on Saturday night, but I am going to try and make it to dinner on Friday night, depending on what time the dinner is starting, since I have been reading here lately that Erin Hills is closer to a 5 hour round than a 4 hour round.  

Let me know if you need any other information from me, but I will try and touch base with you in the next few weeks.

Jason
You learn more about a man on a golf course than anywhere else

contact info: jasonymandel@gmail.com

Tyler Kearns

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Dick, Dan, Mike,

Thanks for the efforts in organizing, what looks to be an amazing multi-day event. I had expressed interest earlier, but do not think I'll be able to attend. I have just qualified for the Canadian Mid-Amateur, and with a busy fall construction season on the horizon, I can only take so much time away from work. I had looked forward to meeting many of you, perhaps another time.

TK

Dan Moore

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Tyler,  Thanks for letting us know.  Good luck in the tourney.

Some More Langford Moreau Photos

Spring Valley's 210 yd par 3 5th and 6th Island Tee


West Bend's 7th


Lawsonia's 9th Fairway from 7th Tee with 6th Green in Foreground


Ozaukee 3rd (low res)


Ozaukee 16th (low res)
« Last Edit: July 29, 2007, 01:07:55 PM by Dan Moore »
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RJ_Daley

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Bump...
OK folks, now is the time to commit!  

Here is the list again, and my mail box is open for business.  Send in those checks.  IM me if you have questions, and Dan has the addresses in his attachment to send in the green fees.  We will have to give these courses and supper clubs a list by mid August, at the very latest.

Dan Moore, Chicago, attending all rounds and dinners, CONFIRMED, lodging on Lawsonia grounds.

Mike McQuire, West Bend, attending WBCC, Lawsonia, Ozaukee, Spring Valley UNK, CONFIRMED, lodging unk.

Dick Daley, Green Bay, attending WBCC, Lawsonia, Ozaukee(may not play), CONFIRMED, lodging Lawsonia grounds.

Brad Swanson, Madison, maybe WBCC and Lawsonia rounds, CONFIRMED, no lodging needed.

Phil McDade, Madison, attending all rounds, CONFIRMED PAID, ALL ROUNDS, lodging unk.

David Schmidt, Chicago, attending all rounds?, not confirmed, lodging unk.

Evan Fleisher, Cleveland, all rounds AND DINNERS, CONFIRMED PAID, lodging LOOKING FOR CABIN MATE,
accompanied by Cousin Greg Fleisher, CONFIRMED ALL ROUNDS.

Mike Kennedy, Chicago, all rounds unk., CONFIRMED ALL ROUNDS, lodging unk.

Eric Terhorst, Unk city, unk which round, CONFIRMED ALL THREE ROUNDS, lodging unk.

Ted Morreau, + 3 guests, unk which rounds, not confirmed, lodging unk.

Jason Mandell + 3 friends, CONFIRMED for only Lawsonia 18 holes, not dinner, has lodging elsewhere.

Paul Westland, New Hampshire, Spring Valley and WBCC, CONFIRMED PD, ATTENDING DINNERS, lodging with family.

Brian Bossert, CGCSA Bryn Mawr GC, Chicago, CONFIRMED, ALL COURSES AND DINNER,  UNK lodging yet.

Mark Chalfant, Delaware?, possible attendee at this time.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2007, 12:33:20 PM by RJ_Daley »
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RJ_Daley

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Bumped again.
Gentlemen, we need you confirmations and checks in order to make the tee times.  As you see above, those in CAPITAL LETTERS are "confirmed", having sent their checks and registration forms.  We can't expect the restaurant to hold a large space open for us on a busy Saturday night, if we can't confirm a number.  Please IM me, or Dan Moore to let me know you status, and get the registration from Dan on regular e-mail.  It should only take a few minutes to fill out and get it in the mail.

I am holding the checks that were sent in, and will deposit them after Aug. 15, but will recontact those that have sent in checks before I deposit them to "MAKE SURE" you are on board.  Once the checks are deposited and tee times are made, there will be no refunds from me if you can't make it.  That will have to be taken up with the golf course tee time desk.  

Dan has gone through a great deal of time and effort to make this an excellent tour.  I hope you will follow through with your inclinations to join in by getting registered NOW!  
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Phil McDade

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In a shameless effort to keep this alive and on the first page of the discussion board, I simply want to add my two cents on the virtures of this GCA gathering, which I think will be well worth it.

In particular, it should be a chance to experience some L/M not often seen -- West Bend's nine, where the green speeds are said to be kept at a much faster pace than what they've been lately at Lawsonia, as well as Spring Valley, the definition of a hidden gem, which more and more GCA posters are discovering and finding is a real treat. I know a few of the attendees, and they are great folks, and it should be a terrific few days.

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