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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Turf question
« on: June 03, 2007, 02:43:59 PM »
How long after the greens are punch does one wait before starting verticutting, grooming etc?

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 03:28:44 PM »
We wait no more than 3 weeks. Usually the greens have a little more nitrogen to encourage them to grow in and if you don't stay on top to the v cutting and grooming, it will get away from you!

Tony Nysse
Sr. Asst. Supt.
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2007, 03:33:28 PM »
Tony I am asking because we are at 4 weeks now. The grain is really bad and has gotten away from the team.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2007, 03:42:25 PM »
My guess is that they are a little afraid of kicking up the sand that was put down, but if they are vcutting, they will be topdressing anyways. We are vcutting and aerifying tomorrow and are closed for the week. We actually plan to vcutt again on the 21st of June.(2 weeks)

Tony Nysse
Sr. Asst. Supt.
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

S. Huffstutler

Re:Turf question
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2007, 04:20:38 PM »
Please speak to your Superintendent about your concerns. He can inform you of his strategies and any problems that may exist.

I would much rather have a member call me about something like this than see it posted on the internet.

He is your on site expert, ask him, he'll tell you.

Regards,

Steve

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2007, 07:05:01 PM »
Steve I am asking you guys before discussing this will our young and somewhat inexperienced new Super. I only know enough to be dangerous.

TEPaul

Re:Turf question
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 08:41:01 AM »
"Steve I am asking you guys before discussing this will our young and somewhat inexperienced new Super. I only know enough to be dangerous."

Tiger:

The very first thing you need to do is get on the same page with your super. So my advice would be to go to him and ask him to answer very honestly if he agrees with that statement of yours above.  ;)

Despite the "smiley", I'm serious. If you can put your super in a position to feel he can be completely honest with you about anything I guarantee you half your battle will already be won.

More and more, but in retrospect, I think of the very moment when my super and I finally got on the same page. It took a couple of years to get to that point but no more than about a minute to recognize and I remember exactly where we were standing and I particularly remember the look on his face. After that things really began to change and I think I can honestly say in the last 2-3 years in his 26 year career with us he became totally re-energized.

The best of the supers out there really do like challenges---eg they like goals. This isn't my own sense, a pretty good number of them have told me that kind of thing has kept them going.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 08:50:45 AM by TEPaul »

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 09:01:17 AM »
TE our Super is a nice guy who I talk to every month. A number of us need to have a serious discussion with him and I do not want to push him on some issues where it is not called for. I already know where he is coming from.

W.H. Cosgrove

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 09:20:31 AM »
Tiger do yo have a comprehensive maintenance, standards manual?  

We compiled such manual several years ago and have been able to initiate several conversations based on the manual.  Green speeds have crept up over the years where we were  routinely pushing over 11 feet on our Poa greens.  The standards call for about 1 ft less.  The Super was pushing them because he 'felt' that was what the members wanted.  We have now backed the speeds down, if slightly, and pace of play has improved, the higher handicaps and women are having more fun.  The low handicaps can only occasionallly tell the difference.  

By the way we verticut the green about two weeks after punching to bring some of the sand up.  The result is a smoother surface as the sand fills some of the uneven spots.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 09:21:21 AM by W.H. Cosgrove »

TEPaul

Re:Turf question
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 09:21:33 AM »
"I already know where he is coming from."

Tiger:

But do you think he fully understands where you're coming from and feels he's able to respond completely honestly about what he needs to do about it?

JMEvensky

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 09:39:41 AM »
With apologies to anyone whose toes I step on,I kind of disagree with going directly to the Super.Seems like it might be better if Mr. Bernhardt went to the Green Chairman who then went to the Super.

Again,no disrespect intended,but if every member went to the Super with their questions/complaints,he'd never have time to grow grass.I,of course, realize this is a very "rose-tinted glasses" world view.

TEPaul

Re:Turf question
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 09:51:39 AM »
Very good point there. For some reason I assumed Tiger must be on the green committee.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 10:23:45 AM »
TE and JM, I am and have. Most of the Greens Comm has been discussing this for several weeks.This is his first year and naturally he is nervous. He is a good man who is scared to do his work with anything but causion. Again he is inexperienced. This is his first head job. Bill, I think that is a great idea.  He would gain confidence from such a manuel. This is not about busting him. It is about giving him the help and support he needs to do a good job.

Steve Okula

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 12:59:44 PM »
I always verticut immediately after hollow tine aeration (if that's what you mean by "punching"). I like to open up the surface as much as possible to allow the topdressing sand granules down into the thatch layer. Greens aeration is normally done twice per year.

The process goes aerate, collect cores, verticut 2 directions with blades set at -2.0mm, mow off debris, topdress as heavy as can practically be brushed in, probably fertilize, and water.

Ususally we will need to follow up with another topdress a week later after the initial sand has settled in order to fill the holes completely.

We will do routine single pass verticut with a light topdress within the next three weeks, and repeat every 2-3 weeks thereafter.

You should talk to your superintendent.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 04:38:19 PM by Steve Okula »
The small wheel turns by the fire and rod,
the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Turf question
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2007, 09:39:27 PM »
thanks guys

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