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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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NBC's HD coverage
« on: May 13, 2007, 03:00:08 PM »
Anyone else watching NBC's coverage in HD notice how many non HD cameras they seem to be using?  I am actually watching the leaders finish up on 18 on Sat on TiVo before watching todays coverage.  But it is really annoying that about 1/3 of the shots appear to be using non-HD cameras or something.

I am not the only one seeing this am I?  I hope not.

I am worried though, does NBC have the US Open coverage, I cant remember?  If so I sure hope their HD coverage is a little more thorough than it is here at The Players.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2007, 03:00:25 PM by Daryl "Turboe" Boe »
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 05:10:29 PM »
It is annoying, but better than regular def. :)

I'm not so sure...their SD camera shots appear as crisp to me as a YouTube video.  It's horrible.

NBC was making such a big deal about how many cameras they were using for this tournament...they left out the fact that most or all of the handheld cameras are SD.
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Adam Clayman

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 05:15:11 PM »
Ernie Es was just interviewd on XM radio, he had the quote of the year.

"These greens are horrible".
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Mike Erdmann

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2007, 05:37:26 PM »
It's been this way all season with NBC's HD coverage.  The constant switching between HD and SD cameras is incredibly annoying.

Joe Hancock

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2007, 06:14:11 PM »
Ernie Es was just interviewd on XM radio, he had the quote of the year.

"These greens are horrible".

Adam,

Did he elaborate on what made them so horrible?

Joe
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Adam Clayman

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2007, 06:54:27 PM »
Yes, he called them country club greens. The speed was slow and the grain was annoying to him. He fully understood he was being very emotional right after his round, but, he said he felt he played way too well for the results.

He also said they should return them to they way they were. Memories....
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Michael Christensen

Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2007, 06:57:16 PM »
Ernie, I love you....but I saw you miss multiple 3 footers this week...maybe they can't get them fast yet, Miller said something about giving them another year to grow in and then they can cut them

This round today was a bore.....NBC tries to play this game that this is like Augusta....it really feels just like another PGA event!

Congrats Phil...u played very good!

Joe Hancock

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2007, 07:31:53 PM »
Well, Ernie...

Everyone played the same greens....and someone actually won the tournament on those same greens....

Ever wonder what the Pro's would think of your home course conditions? Most of us would clobber them for being so picky....

Joe
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Sean Leary

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2007, 08:20:14 PM »
seems like it is the walking cameras only, I think.

Brad Swanson

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2007, 09:03:35 PM »
What puzzles me is that most if not all SD sports coverage looks way better than the SD footage from NBC's "HD" golf telecast.  Its like watching an interview of Barbara Walters with the soft focus filters and all.

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noonan

Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2007, 10:25:27 PM »
Nascar gets a better picture than any golf event........it pays to be a redneck.

 ;D

Michael Whitaker

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2007, 10:42:41 PM »
Ernie Es was just interviewd on XM radio, he had the quote of the year.

"These greens are horrible".

The new greens are Mini Verdae which I have found to be an outstanding surface at the few courses in South Carolina that have them. The surface is tight & firm, and can be maintained extremely fast if necessary. I don't understand Ernie's comments unless the greens just weren't mature enough.
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RJ_Daley

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2007, 10:50:06 PM »
Adam, are people's opinions sharper and clearer on XM radio?  ::) ;) ;D
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2007, 10:54:30 PM »
What puzzles me is that most if not all SD sports coverage looks way better than the SD footage from NBC's "HD" golf telecast.  

That was my point...NBC's SD is worse than SD.  I hope they do something in advance of the US Open.
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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2007, 12:43:25 AM »
It's been this way all season with NBC's HD coverage.  The constant switching between HD and SD cameras is incredibly annoying.

I think this is the first event I have watched NBC televise since I got the HDTV so I this is the first I saw of it.

Who has the first two rounds of US Open coverage again, it wont be on the Golf Channel will it?  
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Tim_Cronin

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2007, 12:53:43 AM »
NBC's hand-helds are are wireless, which means, because of the delay involved in digital TV, they have to be analog. That means standard definition rather than high definition. (Yes, you may think you've read this before; this is a rerun.)
CBS is all-HD at The Masters because Augusta National doesn't allow the relay balloon or high tower to mar its skyline (or a blimp, for that matter, which the smart viewer will note NBC had and was in HD. But it was never used for live action shots, just live beauty shots and replays of action, which means no sync worries for cutting back and forth).
The wireless delay dilemma meant NBC had two equipment options:
1. Use standard definition cameras that could shoot in 16:9, thus allowing a fine standard definition picture, only widescreen, but at least sharp.
2. Use standard definition cameras that shoot in the original 4:3, and blow up the middle of the picture to make it fit in widescreen. That yields about a 1930s experimental-era 300-line picture instead of the standard 525 or the 1080 NBC uses in HD.
There is a technical term for this: crud.
The solution: Bury cable all through Sawgrass, a la Augusta National, to allow for an all-HD show.
And order a few miles more cable for Oakmont, NBC's next biggie.
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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2007, 01:03:30 AM »
The solution: Bury cable all through Sawgrass, a la Augusta National, to allow for an all-HD show.
And order a few miles more cable for Oakmont, NBC's next biggie.

You mean to tell me that they just went through a doze it under scrape off all the grass redo here, and noone thought to lay down some subterranian cable or conduit for cable for HD broadcasts?  Man someone should loose their job for that decision.
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Tim_Cronin

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2007, 05:09:50 AM »
The solution: Bury cable all through Sawgrass, a la Augusta National, to allow for an all-HD show.
And order a few miles more cable for Oakmont, NBC's next biggie.

You mean to tell me that they just went through a doze it under scrape off all the grass redo here, and noone thought to lay down some subterranian cable or conduit for cable for HD broadcasts?  Man someone should loose their job for that decision.
I don't know for sure. Hazarding a guess based on walking around tournaments and tripping over cables for years everywhere. Except Augusta, where all you see are connecting points at the edge of fairways.
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Greg Beaulieu

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2007, 06:00:55 AM »
NBC's hand-helds are are wireless, which means, because of the delay involved in digital TV, they have to be analog. That means standard definition rather than high definition.

Earlier this year I was watching a Fox Nascar race and they made a big deal about how their in-car cameras are now HD unless I was totally mistaken. Is wireless HD impossible?

George Pazin

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2007, 09:06:09 AM »
Thanks for starting the thread, I thought for a second it might just be my new TV.

CBS at Byron's place was much better on every shot, from closeups, to walking cameras, to everything. If I'm the PGA, NBC gets an earful this morning.

At least Johnny was okay yesterday. :)
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Andy Troeger

Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2007, 09:12:17 AM »
I've started using golf telecasts as a good opportunity for an afternoon nap no matter what network is carrying the telecast. Could they possibly play any slower in some cases?
 
And considering I have a mediocre old TV I didn't notice any difference  ;D

Martin Del Vecchio

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2007, 09:45:44 AM »
Is wireless HD impossible?

Wireless HD is possible, but very expensive.  I get wireless HD at my house, via DirecTV.

And perhaps they did lay down cable at Sawgrass, and NBC just hasn't yet upgraded their hand-held cameras.  I imagine that the PGA Tour is leaning on NBC to treat the PLAYERS like CBS treats the Masters.

And it's all a moot point for me.  Now that the PLAYERS concludes on Mother's Day, I realize that I will never again be able to watch it.

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Brent Hutto

Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2007, 10:56:21 AM »
And it's all a moot point for me.  Now that the PLAYERS concludes on Mother's Day, I realize that I will never again be able to watch it.

Dude, you gotta get a DVR. Mine started recording at 2.00pm and I got back from my mother's house a little after 6.00 to watch the Players. Saw the whole thing in about two hours including a couple of breaks to eat supper and so forth.

With players like O'Hair and Furyk getting TV time, it is no longer practical to watch golf in real time. Knowing nothing about Sean O'Hair I started out Saturday rooting for him to win the tournament. By about the fifth hole on Sunday I was fast-forwarding whenever it was his turn and hoping he didn't finish near the lead.

Every weekend one of these idiots get shown on TV I figure it adds another minute to the average time it takes to play a round in this country because all it takes is one hacker to start "emulating" that back-off, jerk-off routine and the whole course slows down behind them.

Andy Ryall

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2007, 11:03:53 AM »
This conversation is completely warranted. From what I know, most-to-all of the stationary cameras established in the towers are HD with the walking/portable cameras SD.   CBS did this at the Masters up until 2 years ago – it is a complete farce that the USGA and PGA would allow NBC to continue without spending the cap ex to upgrade to all HD or at least minimally upconvert to HD from SD on its mobile cameras.  I can’t imagine advertisers are happy either given that the demographics of those with HDTVs are primary targets for their products.

It would sure be nice to see the Church Pew at Oakmont in full HD….. :D

Darren_Kilfara

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Re:NBC's HD coverage
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2007, 11:06:00 AM »
With players like O'Hair and Furyk getting TV time, it is no longer practical to watch golf in real time. Knowing nothing about Sean O'Hair I started out Saturday rooting for him to win the tournament. By about the fifth hole on Sunday I was fast-forwarding whenever it was his turn and hoping he didn't finish near the lead.

Brent has bingo. Took me a bit longer than the fifth hole on Sunday to get tired of Sean O-my-gosh-just-hit-the-putt-already-this-is-like-watching-Hair-grow and his line-em-up approach to putting...and I too had been rooting for him early on. (Harrington is another guy I used to root for and now root against for this reason...)

Cheers,
Darren