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Sébastien Dhaussy

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"The strategy of the golf course is the soul of the game." GEORGE C. THOMAS

"Undulation is the soul of the game." JOHN LOW

"Rhythm is the soul of golf." PERCY BOOMER (Percy BOOMER was a teacher, so his definition is not derived from GCA but from swing instruction).

Please, give this 1 word/1 line definition of the "soul of golf" a shot from your own ;)


"It's for everyone to choose his own path to glory - or perdition" Ben CRENSHAW

Eric Franzen

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The Old Course is the soul of golf.

Michael Moore

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Mashing the ball with the sweet spot of the club is the soul of the game.
Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Rich Goodale

Golf is a mirror in which a man can find his own soul.

Peter Pallotta

Shivas - very impressive, on the spot and all! But it sounds like something TS Eliot might say, i.e. vaguely depressing.

Geez, now I don't feel like even putting my own one down; but here goes:

"Designs that turn a game into an experience are the soul of golf."

Ahh, that sucks!

Peter

peter_p

Passing it to your child.

TEPaul

The soul of golf (or even architecture)?

I'll do it in a single word;

MYSTERY

Anything much less in golf will not allow it to sustain itself for long but it seems as if the game or sport of golf will never have to concern itself with that. Has anyone EVER felt they've fully come to understand some entire and foolproof way, some everlasting and enduring method of overcoming or even understanding real ongoing success in golf?

NEVER, and I doubt anyone ever will.  ;)

I don't know if that's the real soul of golf but I feel it sure is its ongoing seductive allure for those it didn't theretofore already depress and perhaps defeat.

And even for the best of the best this seems to hold true. I will never forget that at the absolute pinnacle of his career Tom Watson said he felt he was just on the verge of going to the next and perhaps ultimate level of virtually being able to play without really ever missing a shot. It's probably not coincidental that that was the point when his game began to go downhill and never again reach the same level he had been on.  ;)

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Kirk Gill

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Hitting a ball with a stick to a particular place.
"After all, we're not communists."
                             -Don Barzini

Adam Clayman

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The film "Altered States" concluded with the line that the final truth is that there is no final truth.

In this exercise the soul of golf should be as varied as the methods.

For moi, I find awareness to be the key to everything.

Even the mystery.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Bill_Yates

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One's own soul is the soul of golf.
Bill Yates
www.pacemanager.com 
"When you manage the pace of play, you manage the quality of golf."

TEPaul

"Then, and only then, can one be successful at the game.  Those who fail to fully comprehend this are mere gerbils on a treadmill, perpetually chasing the unattainable."

Shiv:

The above remark and your last post depends on how you (or anyone else) defines success. I doubt your method is going to make you a better golfer in an ongoing sense even if it certainly may help make you less concerned about the little failures that are inevitably part of the game for anyone.  ;)

Have you noticed how the tour pros and certainly the best of them tend to beat themselves up for their little failures the way people on here think they should or think they do?  ;)
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TEPaul

"I thoroughly enjoyed cold-topping 50 feet twice off the first tee, blading it a couple more times to get into position to finally blade it over the green..."

Skeebo, you definitely are weird!  ;)

Dan Kelly

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Golf is a mirror in which a man can find his own soul.

Don't forget to flip-flop the image!
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Garland Bayley

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That which is regarded as being immortal or spiritual part of the outdoor game played on a large course with a small, hard ball and a set of clubs, and though having no physical or material reality is credited with determining all behavior.
 :)

I once had a student whose parents had named him MyName. Therefore, he went through life introducing himself as MyName is my name.

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"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Tony_Muldoon

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Thanks TEP I'll go with mystery.  Gib used to have a line about there being two kinds of golfer.  IMO there are those who marvel at the mystery and there are those who will bring computers onto a course in the attempt to kill the mystery.

Apologies for the threadjack but it had to be said.
Let's make GCA grate again!

Ken Moum

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The soul of golf (or even architecture)?

I'll do it in a single word;

MYSTERY

Whoinhell do you think you are? Arnold Haultain?

“Golf is like faith: it is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Arnold Haultain, The Mystery of Golf, 1908

"…And how beautiful the vacated links at dawn, when the dew gleams untrodden beneath the pendant flags and the long shadows lie quiet on the green; when no caddie intrudes upon the still and silent lawns, and you stroll from hole to hole and drink in the beauties of a land to which you know will be all too blind when the sun mounts high and you toss for the honour!" Arnold Haultain, The Mystery of Golf

"Golf is unique, too, in that it can be played anywhere -- on lone seashores or crowded heaths, over high road and hedge, amid  moss and weed, on the veldt, on the prairie, on the mead." -- Arnold Haultain, Mystery of Golf, 1908

“Suffice it to say that all golfers know that golf must be played seriously, earnestly; as seriously, as earnestly, as life.” Arnold Haultain, The Mystery of Golf, 1908

“In short it would seem that a man, to play golf well, must play like a machine; but like a machine in which the mental motor must be as perfect as the muscular mechanism.” Arnold Haultain, The Mystery of Golf, 1908

“It will never be spoiled by the intrusion of professionalism; at least it will never be played by highly-paid professionals for the delectation of a howling and betting mob; nor, thank heavens, will rooters ever sit on fences and screech at its results.” -- Arnold Haultain, The Mystery of Golf, 1908

“In short it would seem that a man, to play golf well, must play like a machine; but like a machine in which the mental motor must be as perfect as the muscular mechanism.” Arnold Haultain, The Mystery of Golf, 1908

"Golf is a game in which attitude of mind counts for incomparably more than mightiness of muscle." Arnold Haultain, Mystery of Golf, 1908

"Golf is more exacting than racing, cards, speculation or matrimony. In almost all other games you pit yourself against a mortal foe; in golf it is yourself against the world: no human being stays your progress as you drive your ball over the face of the earth."  -- Arnold Haultain, Mystery of Golf, 1908
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Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

TEPaul

"Whoinhell do you think you are? Arnold Haultain?"

Hell no. Even if his writing preceded Max Behr's by a couple of decades and was probably the inspiration for a number of Behr's ideas on golf course architecture, compared to Behr, Haultain was third string.  ;)

Just watch and wait for the unbridled horror that statement will create with the likes of Richard Farnsworth Goodale.  ;)


Kalen Braley

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Golf defined in one line by an ex co-worker of mine:

"I don't understand golf, you hit the ball way far away, and then try to go find it, and then you do it again...I just don't get it"

Peter Pallotta

"Whoinhell do you think you are? Arnold Haultain?"

Hell no. Even if his writing preceded Max Behr's by a couple of decades and was probably the inspiration for a number of Behr's ideas on golf course architecture, compared to Behr, Haultain was third string.  ;)

TE
 
I knew Haultain and now I'm getting to know Behr, and Haultain is no Behr. Don't get me wrong: I enjoyed very much reading "The Mystery of Golf", and it was my introduction to that type of writing. But even as a first-time reader, it struck me as too self-consciously "mysterious"...as if Haultain was primarily a writer who was looking for mystery, and then found golf; whereas Behr was a golfer who was honestly exploring the mysteries he'd experienced as a golfer, and then happened to write about them....IMO (and from someone who has more in common with the former than the latter)

Peter  

TEPaul

Peter:

I was sort of kidding about Haultain, I know his writing and I like it but he was sort of a feel good writer about golf who had a particular facility for descriptions that could evoke various emotions and perhaps appeal to the sort of zen feeling some have and can have about golf such as the glory of seeing your fresh footprints in the dew before anyone else set foot on the course that day.

That's fine and that kind of writing is doubtless inspiring or very inspiring to many but it doesn't really attempt to address and confront and perhaps answer or solve some of the problems that may threaten some of the fundamental aspects of what golf is about and how some of those fundamental aspects may be endangered from time to time by various things to do with the evolutions in golf and in architecture.

In my opinion, Max Behr had far more important things to say about golf and architecture and the future of both than Haultain did. Haultain waxed pretty eloquent in an apparent attempt to sort of explain the soul of golf---Behr on the other hand seemed more intent on defending it.
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Peter Pallotta

TE - thanks.

I like the distinctions you made between the two, and I don't think we're so far apart in our feelings about Haultain. And I think commenting on him is one way to come full circle on this thread, i.e.:

as a feel good writer, Haultain did have the facility for evoking emotions, but to me at least those emotions were more 'prescribed' than they were 'organic' to the material; much like, to try for the anology, a golf course design can too cutely and neatly 'prescribe' the lines of play and areas of hazard instead of letting those emerge -- for each individual golfer -- naturally, and over the course of time/rounds played...in short, more 'organically'.

To me, for all the mystery and zen Haultain tried to evoke, he was aiming not too high but too low: like a decent pop song, hitting all the right notes on the (predictable) emotional scale, and being satisfied with that.  Behr, on the other hand, seemed to be aiming for and asking about much more important things, and it's because he was that a genuine depth of feeling and mystery sometimes emerges, organically.

Peter  

John Kirk

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In this context I find the word "soul" to have little actual meaning  Words like soul are the product of imaginative minds.  But it sure sounds good in a sentence.  "X is the SOUL of the game."  Wow.

The golf course is the SOUL of the game.
Aretha Franklin is the Queen of Soul.
James Brown was the Godfather of Soul.

Doug Siebert

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An endless quest after a perfection that may be only momentarily achieved.
My hovercraft is full of eels.

Joe Andriole

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I think "mystery" is real and a component of the experience but the quality that sustains us is "discovery."  That discovery may be a small subtle green undulation that creates a new challenge, a foggy morning that produces a new vista, a new swing thought that produces some solid results.  The "discovery" available in the game may be physical, metaphysical; private or public.  For me it is the inevitability that I will discover something new about the architecture, the land, the game, myself.

TEPaul

Peter:

In discussing or even attemtping to compare Haultain and Behr and particularly the style, subject and intent of their writing about golf and architeture I have basically the same sense I do about the likes of us on here discussing and comparing the time spectrum of architecture or even golf itself----that it should be done (the discussing or comparing of Haultain and Behr) in somewhat the same way and perhaps in the total context of both how and why golf and architecture evolved as it did over a period of time.

So, it's probably so much more important than we today realize to closely analyze how and why golf and architecture evolved from say the time it first left the linksland in mid 19th century to how it evolved around the time the first good courses were built inland and outside Scotland to if or how that event may've affected golf and architecture that was just beginning to take root in America, for instance. These may be only examples of a free flowing but nevertheless interconnected evolution but I think they are very important examples, maybe even watershed examples.

To me it's so important to try to analyze accurately how and why golf and architecture EVOLVED as it did at various times and in various places. What was inspired by what in other words?

If we don't or can't look at it that way it becomes something of a series of seemingly disconnected events in various places in time that seem odd, random or just happenstance to us today so many decades later.

I guess I would never be able to prove it but I have a strong sense that it may've been Haultain's writing just after the turn of the century that inspired Behr to follow Haultain's basic thread and theme about delving into something like the mystery or soul of golf or architecture. Behr went deeper, I think, and apparently much deeper perhaps simply because he wrote app two decades later and by then things had evolved (more like exploded) in all kinds of interesting and perhaps troublesome ways in golf and in architecture.

In some ways Behr seemed to sense that an important age or state of innocence was becoming seriously threatened and perhaps passing into obscurity and that this was a very bad thing---a lose of innocence followed by the corruption of its essence, in fact.

Behr and his compatriots who favored the far more naturalized type of golf and architecture, a more innocent construction, a recreation with a much greater component of the unaduterated natural playing field, appeared to have become very worried about certain things while Haultain at least two decades earlier seemed merely content to sing the praises of what golf (and perhaps golf architect) had come to mean to him and various others during a time of its remarkable mid-evolution out of a place and time wherein it had been locked from outside influences for so many centuries.

Personally, I think we will someday find that the embarkation of golf (and architecture) into INLAND sites around the world was the most important demarcation in the entire evolution of golf and golf architecture. The many at first unknown problems confronted and how they came to be unraveled is really watershed, in my opinion. And not just how but why. I think the very word INLAND will some day become much more important to the understanding of the evolution of golf and architecture than it has ever been before.

When golf (and architecture) first emigrated out of the linksland, the defensive cry of the old linksmen was clearly "Nae links, nae golf" and I think we need to understand better what that meant not only to those old Scot linksmen but even more to those attempting to take it elsewhere in the world and how that pretty startling damnation of golf and architecture elsewhere may've affected and then influenced those elsewhere who strove and eventually succeeded in various ways in doing something about it that was finally deemed to be admirable.

If Haultain and Behr happened to write about golf and golf architecture in the same time and simultaneously, comparing them and their writing would be an entirely different matter but they didn't do that.

The two decades between the writing of Haultain and the writing of Behr and the evolution of various things in golf and architecture in those two decades is essential to know and fully understand, I think, to understand their writing and certianly to attempt to compare and contrast it, and them.
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