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Joe Hancock

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2007, 05:21:19 PM »
Chris,

The Emerald at Maple Creek is a remodel job, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think it's an original Jerry.

Joe
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Doug Ralston

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2007, 05:25:17 PM »
Thanks Chris;

The almost incredible list of quality public courses in Michigan makes me wish I had a Summer home up there. Anyone wanna buy me one?

Tullymore, to get back to the origional thread, does appear to be one of the true 'must plays'. I hope we will this year.

Doug
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Jeff Peterson

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2007, 06:00:30 PM »
I would suggest that if you're coming that far into Michigan, you skip Tullymore, and instead hug the shoreline on up to Arcadia Bluffs (between Manistee and Frankfort).  Not because Tullymore is bad, but because Arcadia Bluffs is like nothing you can play in the midwest, save Whistling Straits.  You will remember it far longer than you'll remember Tullymore, I promise.

On the way back down, swing through Grand Rapids to play The Mines, and consider detouring over to Vicksburg to play Angel's Crossing.  (Or, for that matter, play Tullymore -- you won't be adding more than a couple of hours to your trip).
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Jay Flemma

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2007, 06:39:48 PM »
I also recommend Arcadia Bluffs.
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Paul Richards

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2007, 06:52:54 PM »
Jeff

thanks for the thoughts.

i have played Arcadia - and loved it - as well as most of the 'top' courses in Michigan in my travels.

the trip i'd like to take would cover Tullymore - a highly rated one I haven't seen yet - as well as anything else i can hit on this trip


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Andrew Cunningham

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2007, 06:53:31 PM »
I don't believe anyone has mentioned Lost Dunes but it is like 5 minutes off of I94 directly on route from Chicago.  Highly recommended if you can get on.

Andrew
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Paul Richards

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2007, 06:54:00 PM »
I now understand that Tullymore and St. Ives are seperate courses

my question is Tullymore the only one that has EVER made GD's best in state list?  the rankings are up above in my other post


has St. Ives ever been a 'best in state'?

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Jim Thompson

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2007, 06:58:56 PM »
Just to help out with the Matthews family tree:

W. Bruce I

sons Wally B. Matthews II (super) and Jerry (archy)

W. Bruce Matthews III (son of Wally II, super & archy and nephew of Jerry)

Hope that helps.  I think many of you would be shocked to know how many of Jerry's "good courses" were done by Bruce III when he worked for Jerry.

If you come through GR, please give me an IM.  You could get a real treat and get Joe and me both in your fousome ;D!

Cheers!

JT

Oh yeah the original thread... Tullymore doesn't suit my eye but all the stuff is in the right place and Engh should get huge props for what he did on that site!  I'd go play Forest Dunes, and the UAW Club if I were up that way.  With the nod going to the UAW Club.
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Brian_Sleeman

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2007, 07:15:16 PM »
I think St. Ives may have won "Best New Course" honors from Golf Digest when it first opened up back in the mid '90s.  I'm not sure how it's stood in recent years on Best In State and other lists.

As far as Timberstone goes, is it worth playing?  Sure.  Is it innovative and thought-provoking architecture?  Not really.  And you'll most likely only remember the last two holes: the 17th for its ridiculous drop down a cliff and the 18th for its ridiculous drop down step-like terraces.

Timberstone is typically soft, lush, and green, runs a lot of outings, and serves as a quick northern getaway for folks coming from Wisconsin, where the land is primarily flat and the complete opposite of Timberstone.  It's your basic overwatered resort course with big, smooth, round contours, rocks placed here and there for visual effect, and a few ponds, all stuck on some otherwise dramatic terrain on the side of a mountain.

I'd recommend playing it if for no other reason than crossing it off your list, but I wouldn't sacrifice a day away from Greywalls or other special courses in the midwest to play it.
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Andrew Cunningham

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2007, 07:18:13 PM »
Paul,

St. Ives isn't that bad since you're right next door.  I'd stay at the casino instead of the resort however.  If I had to play 36 near Mount Pleasant I'd play Tullymore twice.  Buck's Run was decent value for the money.  They even had cart seat warmers for us the day we were there - a boy was that a welcome treat!

Andrew
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Doug Ralston

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2007, 07:31:17 PM »
ROFL Brian;

You just described Timberstone as a course type I will definitely enjoy. I LIKE green courses, sorry. I LIKE vertical golf, sorry. Lush is good, sorry. Beautiful terrain I am thilled about, sorry.

I also like brown, ground game, links style courses. I also like sandy, prickly, treeless courses. I also like oceanside stunners.

Ah, hasn't eclecticism made me happy, and given me wonderful choice?  :-*

Doug
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Chris_Blakely

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2007, 07:42:28 PM »
Joe,

The scorecard I have from The Emerald at Maple Creek said it was a Jerry Mathews course.  Also, judging from the # of courses I have played by him, I would say there is a lot of Mathews there.  Also, I would say it was a pretty good course, very walkable, good terrain and some good golf holes.

Chris
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Chris_Blakely

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2007, 07:46:24 PM »
Sean,

I played Wyandotte Shores about 3 years ago, I can not comment on the proximety of the tall grass to when the course opened b/c I was not there.  I believe the course play a little firm, but not supper firm.

I agree that Diamond Springs and Pilgrims Run are both courses worth a look and are "must sees."  I orginally did not include Diamond Springs b/c I thought it might be too far away.  The holes routed around the creek/gorge are exceptional!

Chris
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Brian_Sleeman

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2007, 07:48:50 PM »
Doug: sometimes those kinds of courses are what you might be looking for, and I didn't say it was bad, just described it as I've experienced it.  If you like that style then you have to play it...certainly a lot of people like it enough to make regular trips.
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Paul Richards

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2007, 09:25:04 PM »
so here's what i am going to assume:

#13 in 1999 and #19 in 2001 in MI were the rankings for St. Ives

everything that is ranked since then is for Tullymore


make sense?

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Andy Troeger

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2007, 09:40:50 PM »
Paul,
I think you will enjoy Tullymore. Most of the better courses that are on the way have already been mentioned. Point O'Woods, Lost Dunes, Dunes Club are probably most directly on the way, and Wuskowhan, Angels Crossing, and I'm sure others are worthwhile too.

I've played Tullymore the last two years and agree with Tony, its a really good course with some neat risk/reward situations and fun shots to play. I don't think the other course, St. Ives, is great, but if you're at the resort I do think its worth playing too. The options and strategy of Tullymore are lacking, but its a pretty course and I had fun playing it.
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Paul Richards

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2007, 06:16:31 PM »
In trying to group the courses up above into some semblance of order, here is what I have come up with.  If anyone can add any of the others to each 'pod', i'd appreciate it:


pod 1

tullymore
st. ives
pilgrims run


pod 2

blythefield
thousand oaks
egypt valley
the mines
 

pod 3

angels crossing
island hills


any I have missed in any of the pods?


thanks and cheers!


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Andy Troeger

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2007, 07:25:11 PM »
Paul,
From what I know that's a pretty decent start. You might add Diamond Springs to pod 2. I think others could tell you more about it than I.
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Joe Hancock

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2007, 10:15:12 PM »
Paul,

I will assume that Tullymore is your furthest point north in the journey...or podcast, as it were.......

In pod 1, I would see Tullymore and Pilgrim's Run. That's it.

Pod 2....the 4 selections you have in pod 2 covers a lot of architectural ground.....Blythefield is a nice old club, but so little left of L&M that I don't know if it would be a valuable learning experience. However, it is a driver/ 8 iron from my house, where there is reports of good cooking....Egypt Valley is big and bold and more. I will be building a new short game area for them in the next few weeks....Thousand Oaks is Rees all the way...with high tee, valley fairway repeated a lot....the Mines is special to me because it's where DeVries and I reunited, so to speak. It would be the first on my list to see in pod 2, but that's a style preference thing. Another course worth a look might be Kent CC(oldest club in Michigan), right near the Mines. In fact, I would see the Mines and Kent and Blythefield, and then Thousand Oaks and last Egypt Valley....unless you want to see some fresh dirt...

Pod 3....Angel's Crossing is good to see and play. I'd include the SW corner of the state, so that brings The Dunes Club, Lost Dunes...maybe Kalamazoo CC if you like(or don't know) Bendelow, and Battle Creek CC is Willie Park with some neat greens....

How whirlwind is this trip going to be again????

Joe
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Andy Troeger

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2007, 11:22:47 AM »
David,
It certainly is true that most of the back nine (or last ten holes) tend to go right to left, and the first eight tend to go left to right.

I thought the redundancy of the holes on the back nine had more to do with appearance than strategy. #10, 14, and 18 do have similar looks with water and trees left. However, I felt like #10 called for a fairly defensive strategy of playing down the right to avoid the water and get a better angle. #14 for a long hitter most definitely allowed challenging the tree and water to cut off 50 yards on the second shot. #18 as a par five allowed for a few different ways to play the hole.

One thing about Tullymore (and this can be seen as a positive or negative truthfully) is that even with the doglegs I never felt a lot of pressure to shape tee shots. The playing corridors were wide enough to allow either shot. The draw might be preferable on some of those holes to fit the shape of the fairway, but certainly not mandatory. #13 might have been the shot most favoring the draw.
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Paul Richards

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2007, 06:31:35 PM »
Mark

 ;)

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RSLivingston_III

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2007, 06:41:36 PM »
Paul,
If you come through GR you are welcome to tour the mess of old stuff I have in the basement.
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Paul Richards

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2007, 08:09:01 PM »
Ralph

That would be great.

Thanks!

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Jim Colton

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2007, 11:12:50 PM »
Paul,

  First of all, I LOVE your icon.  I know people here aren't keen on Rees, but I enjoyed it the first time I played Thousand Oaks a few years ago.    Went back a second time 2 years ago and it wasn't quite as good as I remembered but still very nice.  I agree with most here that Tullymore isn't quite as good as its lofty ranking, but it's still an interesting an worthwhile track.  I enjoyed St Ives as well, but that may be because I played very well both times I played there.
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Jim Thompson

Re: Tullymore
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2007, 09:25:58 PM »
Paul,

I'll second the trip to Ralph's basement.  It a very special place.  Just be careful when you ask about a club's origin... you might be there a while getting the explanation ;D.

Also, if I was going to play only one other course down here by Angels, I'd try to get on Battle Creek Country Club.  It is and has always been one of my favorite tracks!  It is timeless design.

Cheers!

JT
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