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Garland Bayley

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An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« on: March 22, 2007, 12:49:23 PM »
Which architect wrote the following?

"It seems much more interesting to watch a ball as it makes its way to the green and either finds a glorious path or a tortured path before it comes to rest, as opposed to watching your shot simply disappear into a bunker."

For those of you unfamiliar with "J Kirk's axiom"
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=17958
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Tom Dunne

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2007, 04:28:24 PM »
I routinely refer to (my paraphrasing of) Kirk's Axiom in conversation. Most recently, I mentioned the idea to Al Geiberger at Stone Eagle. We had the course to ourselves and so we were trying different types of shots around the greens, etc. Al had a "Breakmaster" green reader that he was messing around with as well. Anyway, I think he liked Kirk's Axiom, too....  :)
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Tom_Doak

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2007, 08:37:29 PM »
I hope we broke the "Breakmaster" on 13.
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John_Cullum

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 09:19:26 AM »
What in the hell is a breakmaster?
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Ken Moum

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2007, 09:49:39 AM »
Quote from: John Cullum on March 23, 2007, 09:19:26 AM
What in the hell is a breakmaster?

http://www.dwquailgolf.com/access/breakmaster.html

If they weren't $60, I'd probably buy one just to help me learn to read greens better on sloping property.

Ken
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Jeff Doerr

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2007, 10:52:03 AM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on March 22, 2007, 12:49:23 PM
Which architect wrote the following?

"It seems much more interesting to watch a ball as it makes its way to the green and either finds a glorious path or a tortured path before it comes to rest, as opposed to watching your shot simply disappear into a bunker."

For those of you unfamiliar with "J Kirk's axiom"
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=17958

Not sure on the quote -- but it is applicable to shots that hit the firm green and then slowly seek glory or torture. 17 at Bandon Trails with a back pin allowed only one shot to stay somewhat close in two (really three) rounds of play.
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Garland Bayley

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2007, 11:20:45 AM »
Jeff,

I guess you get an new corollary. ;)

The quote discusses the path of the shot on its way to the green.
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Garland Bayley

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 05:01:09 PM »
Not a lot of interest here. I am surprised no one googled it since it is a modern architect writing on a website. In fact, it is Kelly Blake Moran on

http://www.kellyblakemoran.com/heritage%20creek%20blog.html
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Doug Siebert

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2007, 01:58:59 AM »
I bought a Breakmaster a couple years ago just to shut up people who like to claim they missed a certain putt because it "broke uphill".

Haven't found one that broke uphill yet ;D
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Jeff Doerr

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Re:An architect's corollary to J Kirk's axiom
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2007, 02:24:04 AM »
Garland,

I do relate well to the implied quote. My battle cheer after most wayward approach shots during my recent Bandon trip was, "I can putt that!"

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