Disregarding 4,5,6,17,18 I could see a player miss the brilliance of Seminole even after 4-5 rounds. The greens have some scary movement, but if it is somwhat calm and you are in a social situation, it is easy to miss things. Also, a long player might miss how angles play out if in a social round. Last time I played on a Sun. afternoon behind a couple of groups who were not unlike the Haversham's from Caddyshack--there was plenty of time to take in the greatness of the layout. Overall, Seminole is known for some fairly fast pace of play. I had always thought all the holes were like 4,6, and 18, so it was a real surprise to discover that nearly 2/3 of the property was dead flat. My first impression was how brilliant the routing incorporated the dunes with all the flat land.