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TEPaul

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2007, 02:41:39 PM »
By the way, Tommy, I haven't spoken with David Moriarty recently, although I'm not sure why, so I'd like to ask you if you know if he's finished the report he promised to publish on the architectural creation of Merion East which might be entitled something like "The Missing Piece of the Puzzle."  ;)

Also, you should know, and may want to pass on to Professor Moriarty, particularly as to what it may indicate about when and how often one Hugh I. Wilson may've traveled to Europe----and that is that that otherworldly research ferret, Wayne Q. Morrison, has apparently uncovered the fact that the Wilsons' insurance business primarily dealt with maritime/shipping insurance. So to think that High's 1912 trip to GB at the age of 32 may've been his first is looking somewhat more preposterous than it already did.

"Ever notice how when a woman uses the word "fine" she means to emphasize exactly the opposite?"

No, MikeyC, I can't say I've ever noticed that but I admit I've always been somewhat wet behind the ears when it comes to those confusingly contrary creatures. Did you know that the etymological root of woman is apparently a truncated version of 'Woe Man"? This "eating the apple" version is just a crock and a blatant attempt to shift cause and effect to a more palitable and cute story. However, MikeyC, you should know that I'm a huge advocate for greater women's rights and equalities of ever manner and kind. I am, I guess, because I can't seem to get the liberal New Yorkerese out of me. But I should confess my deepest motivations that my huge women's rights and equality advocacy, hopefully culmintating in a women becoming the president of the United States as well as running my club, is so they too can screw up at the very highest levels giving us greater license to jump all over them. The only remaining unrealized regret I have about President Bush (The Little Shrub) is that he isn't, in fact, a woman!
« Last Edit: March 18, 2007, 03:02:16 PM by TEPaul »

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2007, 03:20:50 PM »
Tom,
Lets not delude the fact that the said mystery man was correct in his statement, because I do think it is accurate. Once again this isn't about Merion; it's about Santa Anita, which I might add at the beginning of this thread you doubted it was even a Redan "as you know of the concept." Mind you that image isn't of the best quality, it was being taken into the sun--the WARM CALIFORNIA SUN--but you seem to want judge the image the same way you accuse a one-timer visit to Philadelphia, no?

Let's not argue semantics or facts whether they are right or wrong; lets talk about architecture. I think that is much better for the mind and soul and this website. In other words, empty your anger and bitterness and deceit. Get on with the real stuff, not the petty B.S. which only amounts to further hatred and negativity. I will tell you this, I will just as soon not participate--will not paticipate in any of it. Life's too short.

Cheers

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2007, 03:23:25 PM »
Ever notice how when a woman uses the word "fine" she means to emphasize exactly the opposite?

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Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2007, 03:36:19 PM »
Dang,  I jumped into this thread expecting to see some photos of our beloved Bill Vostinak, as he is most certainly our best loved Redan on this site.
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TEPaul

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2007, 03:42:42 PM »
"Tom,
Lets not delude the fact that the said mystery man was correct in his statement, because I do think it is accurate. Once again this isn't about Merion; it's about Santa Anita, which I might add at the beginning of this thread you doubted it was even a Redan "as you know of the concept." Mind you that image isn't of the best quality, it was being taken into the sun--the WARM CALIFORNIA SUN--but you seem to want judge the image the same way you accuse a one-timer visit to Philadelphia, no?"

TommyN:

Not at all. I immediately admitted that what I thought was the opening to the green surface was to the left of the green itself and to the left of those bunkers. I just couldn't tell from that photograph that that area wasn't green and that the area to the right that I can hardly see is the green surface. Better to immediately admit these mistakes rather than going on for 30 pages with bullshit interpretations and incorrect measurements with TerraServer or GoogleEarth rulers and such as those Merion threads did.  ;)
« Last Edit: March 18, 2007, 03:43:36 PM by TEPaul »

TEPaul

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2007, 03:49:24 PM »
"Let's not argue semantics or facts whether they are right or wrong; lets talk about architecture."

Uh-huh, OK, no problem. Let's talk architecture even if the semantics or facts are wrong. And why the hell not? Who really cares about facts except that constant pain-in-the-ass stickler for facts and truth, Pat Mucci?

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2007, 03:56:04 PM »
Tom,
Then why try to turn it into that? Let it go! Be positive. Be happy.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2007, 04:02:22 PM »
Tom,
further, Did you read the article?

The man that designed this course was a complete novice. HE spent a year studying and learning the great architecture of some of the greatest courses in the world, one of them being the short par 4, 13th at Pine Valley which is hole #16 on this course. The green slants exactly like that hole with everything left of the fairway more or less, falling off, all from a novice.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2007, 04:03:18 PM by Tommy Naccarato »

DMoriarty

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2007, 04:06:36 PM »

I wonder who that playing partner of yours is who made that remark. It's probably Moriarty and the statement lacks credibility like everything else he's said on here about Merion and Philadelphia golf and architecture. If you want to see if that course (Santa Anita) if put in Philadelphia would be talked about here for how cool it is, then the people to ask are those from Philadelphia who really know Philadelphia golf and architecture and not some one-time visitor from the left coast like Moriarty who doesn't really know shit about philadelphia golf or Philadelphia architecture.  

Go fuck yourself Tom.

If you delete this, Tommy, delete me too.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2007, 04:09:50 PM by DMoriarty »

TEPaul

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2007, 04:17:53 PM »
Ah, yes, and good day to you too, Professor Moriarty.







 ;)

TEPaul

Re:Some Of Our Best Loved Redan's (Guess The Redan)
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2007, 04:25:41 PM »
"Tom,
further, Did you read the article?

The man that designed this course was a complete novice. HE spent a year studying and learning the great architecture of some of the greatest courses in the world, one of them being the short par 4, 13th at Pine Valley which is hole #16 on this course. The green slants exactly like that hole with everything left of the fairway more or less, falling off, all from a novice."


TommyN;

I did indeed and it just continues to confirm the very things I've felt for some time about the realities and the accurate evolution of early American golf course architecture, particularly in the 1900-1930 period.

The rallying cry, my friend, should be---"Long live the highly dedicated ultra "time-on-site" early American AMATEUR golf architect".  Just look at and appreciate the names of the ones who were that and also what they created, and both how and why!

In the early days, if you look carefully, they apparently tended to not even refer to themselves as "golf architects". They seemed to be more inclined to call themselves "sportsmen".  ;)
« Last Edit: March 18, 2007, 04:28:35 PM by TEPaul »